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re: Oilfield Moratorium
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:44 am to GREENHEAD22
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:44 am to GREENHEAD22
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Man get your head out of your arse, this is the first event like this to happen in over 40 years. There is so much fricking emphasis on safety and procedure in the oilfield "especially with the majors" it is not even funny. There has been thousands upon thousands of wells drilled with no inccidents, this was truely a freak accident
1) There have not been thousands of deepwater wells drilled.
2) one incident of this nature is too many.
3) BOP reliability is an issue.
4) Lack of contingency planning for this event is another issue.
The MMS will develop very prescriptive regulations with severe consequences, since industry has clearly demonstrated an inability to handle DW drilling without such.
Statements to the contrary indicate your head is up your arse.
Lease holders who wish to drill in short order had better get busy meeting the spirit and letter of the new requirments outlined in the NTL. Statements how "unlikely" a blowout are will no longer suffice.
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Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:48 am to Indiana Tiger
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What I want them to do is have a believable and workable response plan.
well they dont, so what do you want them to do now T.Boone???
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For example, there was a 1994 response plan for dealihg with a well leak in the gulf. One aspect was to have 5 fire boats on standby so that they could coral and burn significant quantities of oil at the sight. Guess what, there may have been 1 boat on the entire gulf coast. Obviously no one worked the plan.
You do realize that every boat that works in the GOM is equipped as a fire fighting equipment don't you? They are all required to have firefighting pumping systems on board. ALL OF THEM!!! So your statement about only having 1 in the GOM just shows your ignorance on the subject so I would suggest that you head on back over to the gaming board and discuss whatever you guys discuss over there.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:54 am to Indiana Tiger
My question to Obama and others who support this moratorium is this.
While the Federal Goverment/MMS/Department of the Interior is conducting this investigation for 6 months (or more), what will happen to all the workers who feed their families and pay their bills with a paycheck earned from big oil or an oilfield support company? Has this assessment been made? What do you have to say to the guy getting a pink slip this week due to Moratorium NTL?
While the Federal Goverment/MMS/Department of the Interior is conducting this investigation for 6 months (or more), what will happen to all the workers who feed their families and pay their bills with a paycheck earned from big oil or an oilfield support company? Has this assessment been made? What do you have to say to the guy getting a pink slip this week due to Moratorium NTL?
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:56 am to Debaser
The odds of something like this happening again anytime soon are astronomical, saftey meetings and shite are gonna be through the roof right now.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:58 am to Debaser
Funny you should mention assessment. Port Fourchon is working on getting some of that information together.
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We understand that putting a stop to drilling puts stress on your business. We need numbers and hard facts to bring to light the true impact of shutting down all Gulf drilling. In order to go to bat for port businesses, the Port Commission asks that you send us data and facts that tell us what this drilling shutdown will do to your business.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 11:01 am to Debaser
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My question to Obama and others who support this moratorium is this.
While the Federal Goverment/MMS/Department of the Interior is conducting this investigation for 6 months (or more), what will happen to all the workers who feed their families and pay their bills with a paycheck earned from big oil or an oilfield support company?
They should get the same treatment as those who lost jobs due to the recent bank failures, or due to the drop in housing starts, etc.........
Posted on 6/2/10 at 11:16 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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They should get the same treatment as those who lost jobs due to the recent bank failures
I really hope this is a flame, and you're not being serious. I can't believe they actually have people out there who would say something this stupid.
So now you're equating bank failures which companies were run into the ground by themselves, to an entire industry that is being shut down by the feds for no good reason?
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:00 pm to EWE TIGER
Here's a counter point to the drilling moratorium. Since it's now required to draw up a risk analysis..who, in the US Government is qualified to review and approve/deny the risk assessments?
I mean if they were qualified...wouldn't they be better utilized in help stopping the current issue?
I mean if they were qualified...wouldn't they be better utilized in help stopping the current issue?
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:42 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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They should get the same treatment as those who lost jobs due to the recent bank failures, or due to the drop in housing starts, etc.........
When the mortgage industry imploded, the government didn't shut down the industry, and didn't stop making mortgage loans. The government pumped money into it to keep it going. When there is a plane crash and hundreds of people die, they keep flying. When there is a blast in a coal mine, that industry doesn't get shut down. I could go on.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:13 pm to EWE TIGER
From the reading on these boards, it appears that those who are opposed to stricter regulation by a re-tooled MMS are generally those employed by deepwater drilling business. As it should be...nobody in the business should like strict regulation, it's a hassle, but that doesn't make it any less necessary.
And regulation is not impossible, the NRC has done it fine. It had to buckle down as well after Three Mile. This was an accident, improvements should be made, and then I think the gov't will open it back up.
And regulation is not impossible, the NRC has done it fine. It had to buckle down as well after Three Mile. This was an accident, improvements should be made, and then I think the gov't will open it back up.
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:21 pm to NukemVol
I don't think anyone involved is saying tighter regulation is needed and welcomed. I think what we are saying is why shut the whole thing down when the rigs have been inspected, passed inspection, etc? Why create huge-scale job loss? Why not approach it in a more reasoned fashion?
Almost 100% of this area's economy is tied to oil&gas. I have a CPA firm and know full well what this portends for me and all of my clients. Not a single goverment official is addressing the looming catastrophe that will impact real live American people.
Almost 100% of this area's economy is tied to oil&gas. I have a CPA firm and know full well what this portends for me and all of my clients. Not a single goverment official is addressing the looming catastrophe that will impact real live American people.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:24 pm to NukemVol
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From the reading on these boards, it appears that those who are opposed to stricter regulation by a re-tooled MMS are generally those employed by deepwater drilling business.
I can't speak for everyone, but most people I know in the industry expected and are willing to accept stricter regulation. Most also disagree with the way the government is going about it--stop everything deepwater for 6 months so they can "re-tool" MMS.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 3:11 pm to EWE TIGER
To give people the idea of the impact that this moratorium will have please read the linked article.
Halliburton will move jobs, equipment because of drilling halt
Halliburton will move jobs, equipment because of drilling halt
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The measure will idle 33 floating drilling rigs, each being leased for $250,000 to $500,000 a day, according to the Louisiana Mid-Continent and Gas Association. Factoring in rig crews and other secondary employment related to drilling, the association estimates that 800 to 1,400 jobs per rig are at risk. The lost wages could run as much as $10 million a month per rig, or as much as $330 million total.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 3:17 pm to EWE TIGER
Dumb analogies. When a plane crashes, people die. You move on. When an oil rig blows up, you destroy an ecosystem for decades.
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Stop being a hack
Posted on 6/2/10 at 3:32 pm to Big McLargeHuge
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you destroy an ecosystem for decades.
So an ecosystem is more importaant than human life? Pretty much tells me everything I need to know about you.
You can heal an ecosystem but never bring someone back from the dead.
Sid you are a fricking idiot and you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. If you don't work out here you know nothing about the regulations that are already in place to prevent a blow out. The ONLY thing that does need improvement what happens if you do have one.
I hope gas goes to $10 a gallon because I will be making $200,000 a year not paying taxes working in Brazil and living it up, watching all the people like you cry about it. See if that dumb arse president can help you then.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 3:38 pm to offshoretrash
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So an ecosystem is more importaant than human life?
How do you judge importance? How much food would you sacrifice for one life.
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Stop being a hack.
eta: Plus what wilceaux said. 11 people died.
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Stop being a hack.
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 3:38 pm to offshoretrash
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So an ecosystem is more importaant than human life?
I didn't realize the 2 were mutually exclusive.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 3:47 pm to wilceaux
I imagine those 11 familys would gladly give the whole LA caost to have their loved one back and I would feel the same way!
Posted on 6/2/10 at 3:53 pm to offshoretrash
I'm sure you would, now stop making this personal. I am saying you can't say you don't stop flying because a plane crashed so you don't stop drilling because a rig exploded. The reason I am saying that is because a rig explosion impacts the entire country in a noticeable way. I knew one of the deceased well. Don't get high and mighty and try and pretend like we're pissing on the dead. You did this in Chicken's thread too. He wasn't calling anyone a moron. Simmadownnow.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 4:05 pm to Big McLargeHuge
I have read now for over a month about how bad the oil field is and all the stupid comments from people like you who don't know shite about the industry. I'm not play nice any more, if you are an idiot I am just gonna tell you!
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You did this in Chicken's thread too"
I will not tolerate anyone putting down these men and calling them morons, even if that's not what he ment he should reword it!
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You did this in Chicken's thread too"
I will not tolerate anyone putting down these men and calling them morons, even if that's not what he ment he should reword it!
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