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re: 167# First Place Tarpon
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:06 pm to Mr. Hangover
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:06 pm to Mr. Hangover
I saw their boat... 'The Butt Pirates'
This made me laugh out loud??
This made me laugh out loud??
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:07 pm to sloopy
Is there any difference between fighting them on light tackle and sharks getting them in Florida every day or killing the dozen that get hung up in Louisiana every year?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:44 pm to snapper26
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Is there any difference between fighting them on light tackle and sharks getting them in Florida every day or killing the dozen that get hung up in Louisiana every year?
You're trying to compare apples to oranges.
Nobody has ever been able to articulate the reason for killing a tarpon for anything other than bragging rights. They are even legal to spear fish which is just fricking bananas.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:52 pm to Barf
And Florida still kills a frick pile more thanks to sharks
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:54 pm to TigerDeacon
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All I know is that Louisiana has a bad reputation for killing a lot of tarpon among the tarpon guides in the Keys. They handle them with kid gloves there and I usually get at lease one comment of "You're from Louisiana? Ya'll love to kill tarpon over there
I've heard that's the reputation. But do that many people kill tarpon here outside of the rodeo? Of the charter captains and fisherman I've met over the years, I don't know of people regularly killing fish unless it's for the rodeo, or it's a record fish. I mean, you're probably talking 15 fish killed on a good (or more likely great) year at the rodeo. So I would estimate 15 at most killed for an entire year out of Louisiana. I could be way off on that, but it's a very small community. People let fish go if they know it won't make the board. It's not like throwing trout in the cooler. Plus of the few that are killed and turned in, it's a great source of information for biologists.
And on that note, I used to read microskiffDOTcom when I had my flats boat. I saw FL fisherman absolutely disgusted by a Louisiana ad that had 18 specks laying on the deck like it was an egregious breaking of the law and likened it to killing endangered elephants for their tusks
. When they were informed that the limit was 25 and it's not that hard to limit out, they about shite themselves. This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:56 pm to redneck
I used to volunteer with CCA and clean fish to go to the food bank. We donated an asspile of fish. Now I don't know what they do with the fish that are weighed.
One time after cleaning all those fish I made out with two girls at once at Arties. It was a rewarding weekend.
One time after cleaning all those fish I made out with two girls at once at Arties. It was a rewarding weekend.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:56 pm to Barf
Tarpon fishermen off of Boca Roton catch an estimated 100,000 tarpon a year with a mortality rate of 20% due to sharks and tiring.
Florida issues 1000 or so 'kill tags' for Tarpon annually
Hook and line, especially light line anglers are 1000x more detrimental to the tarpon population than the hand full of tarpon that are killed for tournaments/science each year
Florida issues 1000 or so 'kill tags' for Tarpon annually
quote:less than 10 tarpon are killed a year by spearfisherman in LA
They are even legal to spear fish which is just fricking bananas.
Hook and line, especially light line anglers are 1000x more detrimental to the tarpon population than the hand full of tarpon that are killed for tournaments/science each year
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:07 pm to 34venture
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Anyone care to give me a brief rundown on how to catch em? I will probably never try just curious.
Best way is to just have the man in the picture take you
. Or you can buy some coon pops like he's holding. They don't come with a circle hook or plastic, you have to wrap the wire around a hook like shown and stick a cocahoe on there. Put about an 8' leader on your trolling reels and the longest you can cast on your casting reels. Slow drift the "trolling" baits set up throughout the water column (~50' of water depth IIRC) at about 2 knots or so. Lot of people use trolling motors. When you mark a school or see them, start casting your casting rods (7000's or Calcutta 700's). When you hook 'em, they throw the weight that's wrapped around.
I'm not giving away any secrets with that info. The hard part is knowing where they are and knowing how they move. Positioning the boat and all that. I have no earthly idea what's going on in regards to that. I just cast when I'm told to. It's been a few years since I've been.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:11 pm to mylsuhat
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less than 10 tarpon are killed a year by spearfisherman in LA
Ok, but why?
I'll take your word for it that only a handful get killed by spear fishing, but I'm skeptical.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:25 pm to mylsuhat
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Hook and line, especially light line anglers are 1000x more detrimental to the tarpon population than the hand full of tarpon that are killed for tournaments/science each year
Not that I disagree with you, but wouldn't it make sense to say that whether one is more detrimental than the other is irrelevant? They're both detrimental, so why wouldn't we try to remedy both issues?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:35 pm to bluemoons
I don't think he's trying to say one is more detrimental in the sense that the practice is good or bad. He's talking about the shear numbers. Even the article, it states that the catch and release is "sustainable", but doesn't make any comment to the number of fish that are still killed. I'd say that with Louisiana's current interest in tarpon fishing, open fish kill (not that I'm for that) is just as sustainable as what takes place in Florida. It's not a commonly targeted fish here. The numbers of fish are vastly overrated by the fisherman there. Even in Florida they allow a single tag per year for IGFA records. There aren't many fisherman here killing 1 tarpon a year much less more than that.
I don't know where the spearfishing number came from, but it absolutely shocks me that we'd even have 10 shot per year.
I think the reason people scoff at Florida fisherman making those comments is because at the level we fish them with the populations we have, we are probably doing less harm than them.
Now as for the killing a fish for no reason, I'm on their side on that one. I used to release redfish if I had more than I could eat that week, so no arguments there. But if it's a tournament, come on. They are even providing the loop hole for that with their IGFA rules.
I don't know where the spearfishing number came from, but it absolutely shocks me that we'd even have 10 shot per year.
I think the reason people scoff at Florida fisherman making those comments is because at the level we fish them with the populations we have, we are probably doing less harm than them.
Now as for the killing a fish for no reason, I'm on their side on that one. I used to release redfish if I had more than I could eat that week, so no arguments there. But if it's a tournament, come on. They are even providing the loop hole for that with their IGFA rules.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:37 pm to mylsuhat
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Boca Roton
Boca Grande you mean? Boca Raton has Tarpon but nowhere near the amount BGP has.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:49 pm to KG6
I'm with you.
I think it's one of those things that people like to argue about, but the argument doesn't solve anything. It's a bunch of "well they do this, so..."
To me, when the discussion involves a fish like tarpon, if the practice is considered detrimental to the fishery by any scale whatsoever, and there's no justification for it (i.e. zero food value/commercial value), we should see if there's a way to fix that.
I think it's one of those things that people like to argue about, but the argument doesn't solve anything. It's a bunch of "well they do this, so..."
To me, when the discussion involves a fish like tarpon, if the practice is considered detrimental to the fishery by any scale whatsoever, and there's no justification for it (i.e. zero food value/commercial value), we should see if there's a way to fix that.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:52 pm to mudflat714
In general, fisherman are a huge group of pansies. I don't think I could ever go fish a place like Mosquito Lagoon and deal with that type of fisherman.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:55 pm to PapaPogey
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In general, fisherman are a huge group of pansies. I don't think I could ever go fish a place like Mosquito Lagoon and deal with that type of fisherman.
Opposing killing tarpon makes one a pansy? Hm.
Frankly, Louisiana could really benefit from some Florida-like care and effort towards our resource. See the Now or Neverglades Declaration.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:56 pm to KG6
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I think the reason people scoff at Florida fisherman making those comments is because at the level we fish them with the populations we have, we are probably doing less harm than them
We do have quite a bit of Tarpon here, enough for some to switch gears and focus on them 60 days out of the year. You must also consider accessibility of Tarpon. We don't have anything comparable to BGP here in Louisiana so hunting them is significantly more difficult and requires a bigger boat. Most fisherman here would laugh at trying to catch a big arse fish that you can't eat when they can fill their yetis with 25 trout.
The only thing that is undeniable with this subject is the marina the day after the rodeo is disgusting and we should be ashamed.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:05 pm to Barf
My point is just that we have 2x the fishery here that Florida does. If we had half the effort put towards doing positive things for the fishery, we'd have something really incredible.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:11 pm to Barf
Yeah, that picture is terrible. But, it's used as propaganda for their side of the argument and it makes us look like we do this every weekend. I see maybe 8 fish in that picture. That is likely 80-90% of the fish killed all year in this state.
Which is where this statement comes into play. I have fished the rodeo several times and have been tarpon fishing outside of the rodeo a few times. There are maybe 20 boats fishing tarpon for the rodeo, and probably only 10 of them know what the hell they are doing. Times I've gone outside of the rodeo, I don't see another soul.
I'm completely against killing animals or affecting the outdoors for no reason. If it were up to me, I'd be fine with never killing another Tarpon. But, I just don't like the way the argument on this particular subject is made to look. The way they paint the picture is just not a reality.
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We do have quite a bit of Tarpon here, enough for some to switch gears and focus on them 60 days out of the year. You must also consider accessibility of Tarpon. We don't have anything comparable to BGP here in Louisiana so hunting them is significantly more difficult and requires a bigger boat. Most fisherman here would laugh at trying to catch a big arse fish that you can't eat when they can fill their yetis with 25 trout.
Which is where this statement comes into play. I have fished the rodeo several times and have been tarpon fishing outside of the rodeo a few times. There are maybe 20 boats fishing tarpon for the rodeo, and probably only 10 of them know what the hell they are doing. Times I've gone outside of the rodeo, I don't see another soul.
I'm completely against killing animals or affecting the outdoors for no reason. If it were up to me, I'd be fine with never killing another Tarpon. But, I just don't like the way the argument on this particular subject is made to look. The way they paint the picture is just not a reality.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:14 pm to bluemoons
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My point is just that we have 2x the fishery here that Florida does. If we had half the effort put towards doing positive things for the fishery, we'd have something really incredible.
Louisiana pisses me off when it comes to conservation, but in my eyes, it has nothing to do with our limits or how we kill fish. It's all about how we take care of the ecosystem that's the issue here. I would gladly retire to the keys to have some picturesque views and beautiful fishing. But I know I can probably do better moving to Cocodrie. But Cocodrie is a shithole filled with rusty well heads, sunken shrimp boats, trailers in the sky, etc.. That's why we don't compete with Florida. Not because we aren't supporting the fish numbers. That and the unbelievable ease in which they can fish offshore, flats, and back country in a single day.
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