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re: Meandering Agriculture thread
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:03 pm to prostyleoffensetime
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:03 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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I've already asked this three time, and the only reason I'm asking is because I just want to know outside perception. What percentage of inputs do y'all think subsidies cover on a normal Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana Delta farm? One big enough to support a farmer, manager, and 5 more employees.
About 2/3rds of farms do not get direct subsidies, so I am not sure.
No farm should ever get direct subsidies though. There are a shite load of different programs the govt has that benefit farmers funded by the taxpayer.
In La alone, it cost the taxpayer 5 1/2 billion. Not all farmers get subsidies, some are doing it right.
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Cotton Subsidies** 17,797** $1,830,247, 737
That's over 102,000 per recipient.
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Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
i think that is over several years. could be wrong.
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1995-2011 Yep. over a decade. Small number now?
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1995-2011 Yep. over a decade. Small number now?
This post was edited on 11/11/12 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:12 pm to jimbeam
5.5 billion? Hell no, it's not small.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:18 pm to willeaux
quote:mofos did it!
Come on Saints!
need to be called Guvnah Mike Foster's "Subsidy Saints"..
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:26 pm to Ole Geauxt
The farmers I know will be quick to tell you they would prefer gubment get out of farming. In the same breath they will tell you the government is in it so deep that they can not be removed.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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About 2/3rds of farms do not get direct subsidies, so I am not sure.
No farm should ever get direct subsidies though.
Thanks for answering. It's about 3-6% for our farm depending on what happens through the year. Now, our farm could probably work some things out and nothing would change, but here's a possibility if farmers don't care to work around it:
People will get let go, adding to unemployment and the amount of people on welfare.
FWIW, I'd bet most of those 2/3rd you're talking about are people that consider farming a hobby and have 10 head of castle, 5 sheep, and 20 acres of corn. Not all, but most... I also bet a lot of them have a 50k tractor when a 7k tractor would be plenty and they are writing it off and using it more for food plots than farming... Some probably also got some kind of grant to get their little operation going.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:36 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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Thanks for answering. It's about 3-6% for our farm depending on what happens through the year. Now, our farm could probably work some things out and nothing would change, but here's a possibility if farmers don't care to work around it:
Then why accept it?
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People will get let go, adding to unemployment and the amount of people on welfare.
Well, free markets don't normally depend on govt assistance keeping people off of welfare.
If direct subsidies are keeping them off of welfare, the gubment is paying it regardless. I just find it interesting that people who claim themselves to be conservatives and hate on welfare queens are so quick to defend other forms of government dependence.
The taxpayer is supporting the lifestyle which is totally opposed to what many claim to support. Once people get hooked on dependence, it's hard to get them off
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:46 pm to jimbeam
Just admit you're a socialist & move on.
And all the farmers I knew in S GA were doing just fine.
And all the farmers I knew in S GA were doing just fine.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:49 pm to jimbeam
What the frick is going on in here?
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:53 pm to prostyleoffensetime
quote:no, the market would re-allocate resources. People would take the money they used to spend on sugar (et al) & spend it on other things.
People will get let go, adding to unemployment and the amount of people on welfare
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Then why accept it?
I can't give you a definitive answer for that. I don't make the decisions for what to spend that money on on our farm or anybody else's. I'm just telling you what it is.
quote:Exactly, but I could make the argument that if that payment is going directly to the people that would be let go if the subsidies were gone, then at least they're working for it instead of going and just picking up a check for zero work. Would that be fair?
If direct subsidies are keeping them off of welfare, the gubment is paying it regardless.
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I just find it interesting that people who claim themselves to be conservatives and hate on welfare queens are so quick to defend other forms of government dependence.
Because the people complaining about welfare queen are actually working jobs instead of committing fraud. And, yes, I know that there are a lot of farmers that will commit fraud. They are scum, and should be in prison.
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Once people get hooked on dependence, it's hard to get them off
Go look at subsidy payments in the late 90's early 00's compared to now... That's what's happening.
Look, I'm aware that subsidies are not really needed right now... My problem is when people lump all farmers in with those select few that are the scum.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:04 pm to prostyleoffensetime
quote:Good post.
prostyleoffensetime
Oh and farmers are all socialists. There I admitted it.
This post was edited on 11/11/12 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:09 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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Look, I'm aware that subsidies are not really needed right now... My problem is when people lump all farmers in with those select few that are the scum.
My issue is ideological, not social. Government social/economic hybrids are something I don't support.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:10 pm to jimbeam
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Oh and farmers are all socialists. There I admitted it.
Well, coming out of the closet is the first step in accepting who you are...
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:19 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:. Keep in mind that I'm man enough, yet immature enough to whip your arse just for having a smart mouth.
Gotta new combine last year, it cost 300k.. actually it was 2 yrs old.
Rented a new tractor couple weeks ago bc it had a guidance system in it for laying perfect rows... 14 days the bill was 16k.. no subsides paid for that one... that had to in the form of a check.
You rich like that brah?
I really don't know what you were getting or insinuating when you replied to me or maybe you're just looking for a fight and didn't understand what I was saying.
Either way, you're a douche and yes, I'm rich beyond that
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:22 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Keep in mind that I'm man enough, yet immature enough to whip your arse just for having a smart mouth
Sig worthy, Dibs fockers
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:42 pm to Choirboy
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:43 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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. Keep in mind that I'm man enough, yet immature enough to whip your arse just for having a smart mouth.
This reminds me of the Justin Moore song. "I could kick your arse. I could jack your jaw"
Posted on 11/11/12 at 4:46 pm to El Josey Wales
If anybody has an idea how to get this stoked back up feel free to put them in play. I am bored and need a laugh.
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