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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:11 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:11 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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origin of life is the argument you run from, rather..
Evolution isn't concerned with the origin. It's starts with there's life and then natural selection happens.
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life did not pop into existence from nothing
The nitrogen, carbon, and other elements were here at the time, yes.
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:12 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:Nobody is running from the question of the origin of life. It is being studied intently by many people. We'll let you know when they find the answer.
origin of life is the argument you run from, rather...
Until then, you are free to continue plugging god into every unknown in life.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:12 pm to Duke
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The nitrogen, carbon, and other elements were here at the time, yes.
OK good, are we getting to abiogenesis now?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:15 pm to Vecchio Cane
No, since the answer as current is idk.
I was just taking a literal reading of life not popping up out of no where. The stuff to make it was available. I mean to imply nothing more.
I was just taking a literal reading of life not popping up out of no where. The stuff to make it was available. I mean to imply nothing more.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:18 pm to Duke
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I was just taking a literal reading of life not popping up out of no where. The stuff to make it was available. I mean to imply nothing more.
Sorry, I didn't mean to seem accusatory. I'm genuinely fascinated by the theory
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:21 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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origin of life is the argument you run from, rather..
Run from? No.
I don't know how life started. That is complete intellectual honesty. But it is also irrelevant for the Evolution "argument". If you want to start talking about Abiogenesis that is a different argument entirely.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:22 pm to RobbBobb
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This is the biggest load of horseshite pushed in order to make evolution believable
Its not like bronze, iron, and steel just dropped out of the sky at certain periods in our history. We are expected to believe that man walked around for 200,000 years with a rock tied to a stick and that was the only tool he could conceive. That it took 250,000 years to even come up with a wheel?
You literally have to be retarded to believe that.
These people had literally NOTHING to distract them, and yet they sat around all day watching the wind blow. For 250,000 years?
See what I mean.
These people are complete loons.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:22 pm to Fun Bunch
You realize that populations grow with advances in technology, correct?
You do know that the largest group of people that are having babies live in impoverished nations. Some in areas where human survival is extremely challenging. Take those tools and.
You do know that the largest group of people that are having babies live in impoverished nations. Some in areas where human survival is extremely challenging. Take those tools and.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:24 pm to Duke
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Evolution isn't concerned with the origin. It's starts with there's life and then natural selection happens.
So, why haven't we observed it on other planets? As someone may have pointed it out earlier. Is our planet so unique that all combinations for what we call life came into perfect harmony just for this planet? Take Mars for example. If one single cell organism evolved to be able to breathe the air here on earth what would keep it from doing the same on Mars? Just take the universe as a whole and what we know about it, yet never observed "life" anywhere else.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:24 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Uh, yeah? Many things that seem obvious to us now are not at all obvious. We didn't even figure out how to use the number zero until about 1500 years ago.
This is the biggest load of horseshite pushed in order to make evolution believable
Its not like bronze, iron, and steel just dropped out of the sky at certain periods in our history. We are expected to believe that man walked around for 200,000 years with a rock tied to a stick and that was the only tool he could conceive. That it took 250,000 years to even come up with a wheel?
quote:Nothing to distract them? frick, man, just surviving was a distraction. You think someone had the time to sit around and figure out how to make bronze when every waking hour was filled with trying to find and capture food? First someone has to figure out that there are useful materials under the dirt. Then someone has to figure out how to make fire reliably, and figure out how to make it hot enough to melt metals. Then they need to make a container to hold molten metal, and form it.
You literally have to be retarded to believe that.
These people had literally NOTHING to distract them, and yet they sat around all day watching the wind blow. For 250,000 years?
I guarantee that, with the benefit of the accumulation of hundreds of thousands of years of human knowledge at your fingertips, it would take the rest of your life to go out into the wilderness and build something resembling a metal tool from scratch. You know you can't just dig up metal in a useful form, right?
Now imagine doing it when the only way to pass down knowledge was via word of mouth.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:26 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Sorry, I didn't mean to seem accusatory. I'm genuinely fascinated by the theory
Didn't want to detail the thread.
I'll say there is an interesting hypothesis out there that life is basically a really slow chemical reaction a long way from equilibrium. That it basically is the result of dispersing energy. Very basically. That shite is a bit out of my wheelhouse and isn't an near being an accepted theory yet.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:26 pm to rickyh
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You realize that populations grow with advances in technology, correct?
There are many ways that populations grow, technology is one of them.
I don't even know what wacky argument you are trying to make with the other one. Yes, populations in India for example are booming because they are essentially going through their own industrial revolution. They are gaining widespread access to medicine, sanitation, etc.
There are actual charts on India that show population explosions in direct association with increased indoor plumbing and sanitation.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:27 pm to Korkstand
quote:And that's before you stop to realize that it is pretty fricking likely that "man" 200K years ago wasn't exactly the same average IQ as today.
Nothing to distract them? frick, man, just surviving was a distraction. You think someone had the time to sit around and figure out how to make bronze when every waking hour was filled with trying to find and capture food?
Not to mention that fact that innovations tend to beget innovations. So, they don't increase linearly.
Finally. All you have to do to see this reality is go look at isolated tribes that had virtually no modern human contact. It's not like you even have to wonder what that looks like. It STILL EXISTS!!
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:29 pm to Lg
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So, why haven't we observed it on other planets?
Just how long and extensively do you think we have been exploring other planets?
We just found water on Mars recently man.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:29 pm to Korkstand
quote:You could strand 100 perfectly average HS seniors away from all human contact in an area where they knew nothing of the available materials.............and even though ALL of these HS seniors would be aware of what is possible, you'd be lucky if they lived to see locomotion beyond an animal driven cart.
I guarantee that, with the benefit of the accumulation of hundreds of thousands of years of human knowledge at your fingertips, it would take the rest of your life to go out into the wilderness and build something resembling a metal tool from scratch. You know you can't just dig up metal in a useful form, right?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:30 pm to ShortyRob
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Finally. All you have to do to see this reality is go look at isolated tribes that had virtually no modern human contact. It's not like you even have to wonder what that looks like. It STILL EXISTS!!
Exactly the point I was going to make. We can literally still see these societies.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:30 pm to Duke
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I'll say there is an interesting hypothesis out there that life is basically a really slow chemical reaction a long way from equilibrium. That it basically is the result of dispersing energy. Very basically. That shite is a bit out of my wheelhouse and isn't an near being an accepted theory yet.
Yep, I've read studies of amino acids actively seeking each other out (if that's the correct term)when isolated. This could explain a chain reaction that could lead to simple life as we can identify it.
Like I said, fascinating
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:30 pm to Lg
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So, why haven't we observed it on other planets?
Conditions have to be right, and we have a limited range of planets to directly observe.
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Just take the universe as a whole and what we know about it
Which isn't a whole lot in the scale of the universe.
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yet never observed "life" anywhere else.
It's hard to observe much looking light-years away, though we are getting better and better at it.
This doesn't take away from that evolution is concerned with how life changed over time through the mechanism of natural selection. The origins of life are outside that scope.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:31 pm to Lg
quote:Well, it obviously ain't common since there are no other planets in our system even remotely like it.
So, why haven't we observed it on other planets? As someone may have pointed it out earlier. Is our planet so unique that all combinations for what we call life came into perfect harmony just for this planet?
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Just take the universe as a whole and what we know about it, yet never observed "life" anywhere else.
What the frick man? We haven't "observed" jack shite about the universe in terms of life. There could be a planet JUST LIKE Earth running around the nearest star right now and we'd have no real way of verifying life on it at this point. Good lord. People talk about the universe like it's in a fish bowl.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 3:32 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Life exists. Therefore it is eternal. It did not pop into existence from nothing
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