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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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We're discussing the AEA application to those people.
They were here illegally openly associating with gang members.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:36 am to TrueTiger
There were articles out some time ago (before Trump took office) about how Venezuela deliberately opened prisons, encouraged people to come to the US and so forth.
There's been evidence for foreign govt involvement for a long time. Trump is 100% right in using this law.
There's been evidence for foreign govt involvement for a long time. Trump is 100% right in using this law.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:36 am to HeadCall
You're talking about regular immigration law/process
We are not
Stay on topic
We are not
Stay on topic
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
so this libertarian op-ed doesnt really take issue with the WH's authority, just questions their ability to adequately prove someone is a TdA member, or whether detainees committed crimes in the US, which is of zero relevance.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're talking about regular immigration law/process We are not Stay on topic
Nah I don’t care which law or process they’re deported under if they’re here illegally.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:38 am to ABearsFanNMS
quote:This seems correct.
Due process for criminal illegal immigrants is done in immigration courts…..not Federal District Courts.
So, what due process was first afforded by an immigration court to the planeload of Venezuelans, before they were tagged "Tren de Aragua" and flown to El Salvador?
In other words, did they get a hearing before an immigration court, at which they were proven to be members of Tren de Aragua?
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:38 am to POTUS2024
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There's been evidence for foreign govt involvement for a long time.
Even if we assume this to be true for the purposes of discussion, the law has never been used in this way, relying on that specific clause. We have no jurisprudential guidance as to how much association between the individual and nation is required to make the law applicable.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:38 am to Vacherie Saint
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just questions their ability to adequately prove someone is a TdA member
That's a major issue with respect to this discussion
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:39 am to Rza32
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All these random X accts always know best.
Kill that messenger...
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:39 am to HeadCall
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Nah I don’t care
Clearly
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:39 am to EliasGrodin
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Can a US president just unilaterally grab any foreigner on US soil, claim that this person is a member of Tren de Aragua and deport that person?
I mean Kennedy had Carlos Marcello deported to Guatemala after just labeling him an undesirable alien…
“Shortly after Kennedy was sworn in as president, in 1961, Marcello was deported as an undesirable alien to Guatemala, but Marcello made his way back to the United States and his lawyers prevented another deportation.”
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
its a subjective issue. If AEA is invoked, those standards fall on the POTUS, not some slap dick at Reason.com
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The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:41 am to TrueTiger
RIP Gary.
Suicide by 2 rifle shots to the back of the head.
Suicide by 2 rifle shots to the back of the head.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:43 am to BHTiger
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Suicide by 2 rifle shots to the back of the head.
AKA "Arkancide"
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:44 am to TrueTiger
It’s gloves off now. The Dem Judges can suck it.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:46 am to Vacherie Saint
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its a subjective issue. If AEA is invoked, those standards fall on the POTUS
Determining if the ACT applies is a judicial issue. This issue was never raised previously because the condition precedent was the fact that a war was declared, which was not in dispute. This is a completely different situation than the prior case law where that discussion was answered in the affirmative without discussion. We knew the law applied because War had been declared.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:46 am to EliasGrodin
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Has the Alien Enemies Act been amended since WW2? Because my understanding is that it was used to justify the detention of American-born US citizens of Japanese, German and Italian descent during WW2. None of those persons was "from" Japan, Germany or Italy.
I have no idea how they applied it but the language states:
“ all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized”
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:48 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Due process for criminal illegal immigrants is done in immigration courts…..not Federal District Courts.
the AEA allows the president to deport people without any due process.
So that’s why it’s important to insure the Act applies.
a CIA agent from
the Bush era may not be the best source of information.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Determining if the ACT applies is a judicial issue.
certainly. but thats not the argument you linked.
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