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re: Christians: “The only thing more powerful than hate is love“
Posted on 2/14/26 at 1:06 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 2/14/26 at 1:06 pm to Squirrelmeister
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You so smart
No, most people understand that, most people understand the difference between translated and original words.
That's my point, it's basic.
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I never said it wasn’t, Strawman.
hmm you said.
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So they know of Jesus literally from scriptures (Old Testament, Enoch, Ascension of Isaiah, others) and spiritual visions. 1 Cor 15 isn’t talking about someone eating fish with Jesus.
Yes, that was you fundamental claim, not that you have an entirely different theology than Christianity (Because you do Watchboy), you went pseudo-intellectual acting like OMG GREEK.
So you do admit now that the primary of the word meaning is the plain and ordinary meaning, and that tit is your non Christian interpretation that changes the meaning from plain to metaphorical.
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It’s perfectly logical based on the grammar and vocabulary for it to mean ordinary sight of something or someone. But I don’t believe that is the right interpretation because
Yes, and that is fundamentally Christian belief that Paul was repeatedly using plain meaning there.
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I’m attempting to persuade based on my belief based on the evidence.
You though said
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No I think that is your twist or your interpretation but it’s not based on what is written in Paul’s letters. Paul writes that 500 people had a spiritual vision of Jesus.
Yes, we get it, Watchtower boys learn something differently. You aren't arguing from "Evidence", Then you would accept all of First Corinthians as evidence.
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Perhaps you should take your own advice. Imagine what you could learn.
I do, I've learned some examples about delusion from you, I've learned about how insidious and dishonest Jehovah's witnesses are.
I'm quite open to learning from you, I look at you as someone who can show me much about why people fall into weird paranoia, how they have delusions that look a lot like AI hallucinations.
It's fascinating it really makes me think about fundamental limits in AI.
This post was edited on 2/14/26 at 1:08 pm
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Posted on 2/14/26 at 1:08 pm to CatahoulaCur
Salt and light.
In Matthew 5:13–16, Jesus calls his followers to be "salt of the earth" and "light of the world," symbolizing a calling to act as positive, transformative influences in society. Salt represents preserving goodness and adding "flavor" (wisdom/grace) to a decaying world, while light signifies exposing darkness and revealing God's truth through good works.
Does that help?
In Matthew 5:13–16, Jesus calls his followers to be "salt of the earth" and "light of the world," symbolizing a calling to act as positive, transformative influences in society. Salt represents preserving goodness and adding "flavor" (wisdom/grace) to a decaying world, while light signifies exposing darkness and revealing God's truth through good works.
Does that help?
Posted on 2/14/26 at 1:15 pm to chatterbait
Well I think we should accept everyone.
I think we should be kind to everyone. And humble before them.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't spread the gospel.
And I mean all this on a personal level. Not a political level
If im face to face with anyone, im going to default to kindness and respect. Or im going to try to.
I dont care if they are Trans or gay or left wing nuts. I will not denigrate them.
You have to lead with kindness or your message has no chance.
I think we should be kind to everyone. And humble before them.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't spread the gospel.
And I mean all this on a personal level. Not a political level
If im face to face with anyone, im going to default to kindness and respect. Or im going to try to.
I dont care if they are Trans or gay or left wing nuts. I will not denigrate them.
You have to lead with kindness or your message has no chance.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 2:52 pm to Narax
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No, most people understand that, most people understand the difference between translated and original words. That's my point, it's basic.
You’re wasting your time with straw man fallacies.
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So you do admit now that the primary of the word meaning is the plain and ordinary meaning, and that tit is your non Christian interpretation that changes the meaning from plain to metaphorical.
No, I admit that that verb can and sometimes does mean literal sight of something or someone and that also can and sometimes does mean heavenly visionary / dream / hallucination type sight. Your reading is plausible, and so is my interpretation. The evidence gets stronger once you narrow it down to the exact conjugation Paul used in 1 Cor 15 and he used it no where else in his writings, but that it is the exact same verb and conjugation used by the Septuagint translators for when Abraham and Moses and so on “sees” Yahweh.
If you weren’t such a kook, you would say “SM, while your interpretation is plausible, I believe my interpretation is most likely and here is why…”. But you can’t even admit such a thing. It’s because you are a closed-minded nutcase.
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Yes, and that is fundamentally Christian belief that Paul was repeatedly using plain meaning there.
I simply disagree. If you look at the preceding verses, they only knew of his death and resurrection in accordance with the scriptures. Not eyewitness claims or firsthand knowledge of historical events. Then Jesus “was seen” by all of them but no mention of talking to Jesus, eating with him, walking with him, listening to his parables, or anything a human being on earth would do. That’s why I believe the immediate context, plus the word for word matching for visionary sightings of Yahweh in the Old Testament make a strong case for 1 Cor 15 being visionary sightings of a heavenly figure.
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You aren't arguing from "Evidence", Then you would accept all of First Corinthians as evidence.
Fallacious circular logic to state the evidence of the historical accuracy and truthfulness of a text is because the text is historically accurate and the Truth.
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I do, I've learned some examples about delusion from you, I've learned about how insidious and dishonest Jehovah's witnesses are.
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I'm quite open to learning from you, I look at you as someone who can show me much about why people fall into weird paranoia, how they have delusions that look a lot like AI hallucinations.
Only one of us believes in talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking eagles, magic invisible heroes and villains, and creationism… and magic invisible super heroes who talk to them. You have a relationship with an invisible friend. Think about that when you cast assertions of delusions.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 3:12 pm to Squirrelmeister
You are absolutely deluded if you believe any of that. It is an a-historical take on Christianity that even the most ardent skeptics don’t buy into. You are in the extremity of the extremes and are not engaging with reality at this point.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 4:38 pm to Squirrelmeister
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You’re wasting your time with straw man fallacies.
That is your calling card.
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No, I admit that that verb can and sometimes does mean literal sight of something or someone
But you are a weird conspiracy theorist. One who uses one example of completely different people hundreds of years apart in vastly different places to make a weird single point conspiracy about a specific verb and conjugation combination that appears all over in several contexts. To note: the word appears 684 times in the New Testament, 17 of those times in the exact combination as you mentioned.
Curious how you ignore those in favor of a specific second hand phrasing of Hebrew translated into Greek hundreds of years before the New Testament.
Moreover, at the time, Koine Greek was still being developed as a language.
Much as how Colonial English is rather different than modern day American English.
That said you have 18 examples of that phrase in the New Testament.
It's rather strange your neural network fixated on an example from hundreds of years prior...
Why was that distance so short... Or were the other distances just longer/weaker/nonexistent.
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I simply disagree.
Of course, because you follow a different religion. You interpret things through a completely different lens.
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Fallacious circular logic to state the evidence of the historical accuracy and truthfulness of a text is because the text is historically accurate and the Truth.
Yes which is why I said you aren't arguing from evidence.
You calling it evidence is laughable in your context.
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Only one of us believes in talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking eagles, magic invisible heroes and villains, and creationism… and magic invisible super heroes who talk to them. You have a relationship with an invisible friend. Think about that when you cast assertions of delusions.
A belief is something you openly admit that you have no evidence to prove.
A delusion is when you insist that it's true.
I don't think anyone here has a problem with you theorizing... But that's not what you do is it.
I think you miss the nuance between the two.
But you miss all nuance
This post was edited on 2/14/26 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 2/14/26 at 4:49 pm to FooManChoo
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You are absolutely deluded if you believe any of that
Foo, I know you hate the facts, but just think about it. Do your research.
There isn’t one known reference to an earthly Jesus in any writings of any church fathers before Ignatius. Papias may have been a contemporary but he didn’t mention an earthly Jesus. Later folks like Justin and Clement of Alexandria clearly wrote of a historical Jesus and so did Markion and then Irenaeus.
Ask yourself this. What was Ignatius talking about?
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He was truly crucified under Pontius Pilate, and truly died in the flesh, and truly rose again.
Think about the audience (Christians). Think about why he wrote that Jesus “truly” did all that. What allegation was Ignatius responding to from those Christians?
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You are in the extremity of the extremes and are not engaging with reality at this point.
That creation was mythical, that Abraham and Moses never existed - all were minority positions. Now it is scholarly consensus. In 20 years, the majority of people will realize Jesus was a myth.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 4:53 pm to Narax
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A belief is something you openly admit that you have no evidence to prove. A delusion is when you insist that it's true.
I see you admit to your beliefs as delusions.
My beliefs on the other hand are based on hard science and fact, not untestable fantasies of an invisible magic superhuman friend.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 5:29 pm to Squirrelmeister
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I see you admit to your beliefs as delusions.
You fail to understand the English language.
Like I said, you are clearly autistic.
You have this tendency to latch onto things not said. As I told you, nuance is well beyond your grasp.
I don’t think you really understand
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My beliefs on the other hand are based on hard science and fact, not untestable fantasies of an invisible magic superhuman friend.
Ooh so sure of himself as he debates religion...
There is a reason trans and autism are so closely linked.
They are significantly more susceptible to delusional symptoms to fool themselves into fake knowledge.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 5:36 pm to Narax
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You fail to understand the English language.
No, he doesn't.
YOU fail to understand that you are doing worse than wasting your time when you respond to him. You're giving him a platform to spread lies.
I don't know what it's going to take for y'all to figure that out. Or maybe you just don't care.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 5:39 pm to CatahoulaCur
Ask a Leftist what they consider to be love and what they consider to be hate. I guarantee you that the answer will be the polar opposite of the actual meaning
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 2/14/26 at 5:55 pm to wackatimesthree
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YOU fail to understand that you are doing worse than wasting your time when you respond to him. You're giving him a platform to spread lies.
Yeah, let’s kill platforms for the open and free exchange of ideas! Burn the witches! Stone the adulterers! Make slaves of neighboring people groups!
Posted on 2/14/26 at 5:56 pm to wackatimesthree
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I don't know what it's going to take for y'all to figure that out. Or maybe you just don't care.
You make a very valid point.
I will say my curiosity did get the better of me as he got further and further from reality.
Appreciate it.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 5:57 pm to Narax
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Ooh so sure of himself as he debates religion...
I can point out when a lot is calling a kettle black.
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There is a reason trans and autism are so closely linked.
Posted on 2/14/26 at 6:21 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Burn the witches! Stone the adulterers! Make slaves of neighboring people groups!
Sure when do we start?
Posted on 2/14/26 at 8:48 pm to CatahoulaCur
Jesus never said I had to like anybody…
Posted on 2/15/26 at 2:21 am to Narax
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You make a very valid point.
I will say my curiosity did get the better of me as he got further and further from reality.
Appreciate it.
Rodent-sme doesn't know how to read texts nor think critically nor exegete Scripture. When called-out on one matter, he just pivots to his next wild jackassery.
Let's take one example (and I bet if we go about it quietly he'll post some emoticons and PhD names). On p. 14, in response to another poster who wrote: "Paul references: Jesus being “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4)," he replies that a more accurate translation would be "made of woman.”
Gal. 4:4 reads, ". . . God sent forth his Son, born of woman [genomenon (ptc form of ginomai which woodenly means "I become") ek gunaikos)], born (also genomenon) under the law." When ginomai is used with the Greek preposition ek followed by a genitive case noun (as in Gal. 4:4), it means born from the noun, i.e., "born from woman." Chirp-spert's "more accurate" translation discards the preposition.
In Gen. 21:2, the Hebrew verb yalad is used 2X. The LXX translates the first with the Greek ginomai and the second with the Greek word tikto. Few would question that yalad means anything other than to give birth or beget in Gen. 21. So there was already an established tradition of using ginomai in reference to birth.
Not specifically related to the above example, but maybe he could inquire of his PhD knuckleheads if initial conditions matter? And perhaps, he could forward on to them the link to Morrison & Boyd. He may not get it, but these are meant to mock him at the core of his folly.
This post was edited on 2/15/26 at 2:24 am
Posted on 2/15/26 at 3:41 am to CatahoulaCur
Note that Jesus Love and Mercy is coupled with Judgment into one’s next life. And that “Grace is measured “.
I have long acquiesced to the idea of Qualified Mercy. Our Government should indeed provide the basic life essentials for “the weaker amongst us” but not without Qualifiers. We willingly agree and submit to the Governmental wisdom that lose our freedom to drive a car if we are too weak minded to control our harmful psychological inclinations. The same should be required of those who vote to steal the fruits of their fellow workers’ money and freedom.
Having children for the purpose of drawing a Government Check is morally disgusting and personally and societally destructive. Especially for the children conceived in such a pernicious enterprise. Those who choose such are either obviously unaware of the above or just don’t care. And many see the Political grifters who purport to serve altruism but get rich in the process, and just engage in the same at a lower level.
This Nation is going down because of their greed and obsession with money (as a form of power). “Where there is no vision (of Truth), my people die”. And we will and are, as such is both the Law of Nature and God.
Live and learn. Hopefully, and eternally so. Thank you Jesus.
I have long acquiesced to the idea of Qualified Mercy. Our Government should indeed provide the basic life essentials for “the weaker amongst us” but not without Qualifiers. We willingly agree and submit to the Governmental wisdom that lose our freedom to drive a car if we are too weak minded to control our harmful psychological inclinations. The same should be required of those who vote to steal the fruits of their fellow workers’ money and freedom.
Having children for the purpose of drawing a Government Check is morally disgusting and personally and societally destructive. Especially for the children conceived in such a pernicious enterprise. Those who choose such are either obviously unaware of the above or just don’t care. And many see the Political grifters who purport to serve altruism but get rich in the process, and just engage in the same at a lower level.
This Nation is going down because of their greed and obsession with money (as a form of power). “Where there is no vision (of Truth), my people die”. And we will and are, as such is both the Law of Nature and God.
Live and learn. Hopefully, and eternally so. Thank you Jesus.
Posted on 2/15/26 at 5:09 am to CatahoulaCur
If christianity only followed the love approach, christianity would've been wiped out a very long time ago.
Posted on 2/15/26 at 5:30 am to CatahoulaCur
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It’s sad to see a quote like this cause such divisive emotions, especially by Christians that are conservatives… is this sustainable? Anyone else wake up feeling a little convicted by their own initial reaction or the reaction from other people you respect as Christ followers?
I had an Asian female Christian challenge the sincerity of my faith because I said I had an issue with bad bunny saying “ICE OUT”
Some Christians have a disdain for American culture or tradition or the concept of border control
They spew this “I’m for Jesus not for country”
They are disgusted over Trump
And from there it goes sideways
This post was edited on 2/15/26 at 5:31 am
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