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re: EU to form an Army force by 2025
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:32 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:32 am to upgrayedd
Our own federal union did not originally have a national military, relying upon the separate military forces of the member states.
Then we decided to change that.
Then we decided to change that.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:33 am to AggieHank86
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Our own federal union did not originally have a national military, relying upon the separate military forces of the member states.
Then we decided to change that.
Its almost like if a union provides for common defense, that an actual collective defense apparatus is needed. Weird, huh.
The reasoning for this is obvious. The border states and the Med countries like Italy and Greece are tired of footing the responsibility and costs for dealing with the migrant issues.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:35 am to Indefatigable
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???
The people at the top are appointed
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With the full throated support of those nations (inb4 you point to only Hungary and Poland's migrant disagreements with Brussels)
They're terrified of being blacklisted and having massive trade barriers imposed on them if they leave.
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They want one. Simple as that.
How is that a problem in any way? Where is the danger? How does this impact you or the United States in any way? They clearly see a benefit in mounting an EU-wide response to migrant, border, and peacekeeping missions. Many of the militaries in the EU cannot do anything outside their borders without cooperation or assistance from others.
These forces will almost certainly be used to police the citizens and enforce policies of the EU and not some existential external threat. I can 100% see how the people of Europe would be extremely wary of having yet another layer of the state to violently keep them in line.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:36 am to upgrayedd
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The people at the top are appointed
They are elected by entities who are directly elected by the populations of the member states.
You realize that our own executive branch is also indirectly elected, right?
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They're terrified of being blacklisted and having massive trade barriers imposed on them if they leave.
Which nation in Europe would benefit from leaving the EU? It certainly isn't any of the smaller nations.
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These forces will almost certainly be used to police the citizens and enforce policies of the EU and not some existential external threat.
Zero basis for this belief.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:37 am to Indefatigable
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Its almost like if a union provides for common defense, that an actual collective defense apparatus is needed. Weird, huh.
The reasoning for this is obvious. The border states and the Med countries like Italy and Greece are tired of footing the responsibility and costs for dealing with the migrant issues.
This could be easily solved by the EU changing or enforcing laws, but it's far more advantageous for them to create yet another group with the right to use violence.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:38 am to upgrayedd
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This could be easily solved by the EU changing or enforcing laws,
Creating a military apparatus is changing its laws.
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it's far more advantageous for them to create yet another group with the right to use violence.
Again, where does this idea that this force will be some weird and very thinly spread gendarmerie coming from?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:39 am to Indefatigable
quote:And our original Senate, as well.
The people at the top are appointedquote:
They are elected by entities who are directly elected by the populations of the member states. You realize that our own executive branch is also indirectly elected, right?
I do not keep a spreadsheet, but I would be rather surprised if Upgrayedd is not one of the posters who hates the 17th Amendment.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:40 am to Indefatigable
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They are elected by entities who are directly elected by the populations of the member states.
You realize that our own executive branch is also indirectly elected, right?
They're appointed by their governments.
quote:I'm sure there are many that would like to see bureaucratic restriction removed as a result of leaving.
Which nation in Europe would benefit from leaving the EU? It certainly isn't any of the smaller nations.
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Zero basis for this belief.
How so?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:40 am to Indefatigable
quote:Untreated mental and emotional health issues?
where does this idea that this force will be some weird and very thinly spread gendarmerie coming from?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:41 am to AggieHank86
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And our original Senate, as well.
And?
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I do not keep a spreadsheet, but I would be rather surprised if Upgrayedd is not one of the posters who hates the 17th Amendment.
My spreadsheet says you're an annoying little fig
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:42 am to upgrayedd
quote:You wound me.
My spreadsheet says you're an annoying little fig
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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. This is Breitbart citing a German news article. Does anyone have any idea what the article actually said? Breitbart is pretty famous for misquoting articles.
b. The EU has been saying they're going to form a military since I was in undergrad, 20 years ago. Farage wasn't onto some new, hidden policy and that policy always fails to materialize.
I could give 2 fricks about any of that. How many billions is this EU shite going to cost taxpayers so inflation doesn't go up? That's the logic for the Ukraine war.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:00 pm to TDTOM
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shite. How much is that going to cost us?
Yeah. They dont even pay what they are supposed to for the UN or NATO.
Money machine goes brrrrrrr.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:27 pm to Indefatigable
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What does the European Union have to do with NATO defense committments?
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