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re: Florence S.C. pastor refuses to give communion to Joe Biden
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:37 am to L.A.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:37 am to L.A.
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Any public figure who advocates for abortion places himself or herself outside of Church teaching. As a priest, it is my responsibility to minister to those souls entrusted to my care, and I must do so even in the most difficult situations. I will keep Mr. Biden in my prayers."
Been saying the Catholic Church should do this for years. Nancy Pelosi, too. The Church shouldn’t selectively enforce their rules and ignore their closely held beliefs for select, high profile individuals.
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:31 am to FooManChoo
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Not even in the same ballpark as abortion.
Of course it is. We’re discussing Church views on present day law.
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The death penalty has always been viewed in the Bible as a legitimate means of taking life as the civil magistrate has the authority to punish evildoers.
So because the Bible tells stories of people being sentenced to death that means the Church is ok with it?
Somebody tell Jesus he deserved what he got.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:46 am to L.A.
Not surprising the response to this thread. Politics is becoming a religion these day.
I wonder how many sacraments he has dropped into the mouths of women who have actually had abortions. I’m sure plenty
I wonder how many sacraments he has dropped into the mouths of women who have actually had abortions. I’m sure plenty
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:56 am to 3nOut
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AOC can walk around and scream "Abortion Abortion Abortion. I love abortion!" all day. While I disagree, she claims no faith and I have no expectation of her to have a different opinion. I find it despicable, but not hypocritical.
I got some news for you... she is a practicing catholic.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:00 pm to CapperVin
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wonder what his thoughts are about the church protecting pedophiles at the expense of children?
Forgiveness is subjective in the catholic church.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:04 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Communion is supposed to be between a person and God. The priest should have no say in who can partake. How does this priest know that Biden didn't repent of all his sins an hour before the communion? He doesn't. If a sinner takes part in communion for the wrong reason, then that it is on him.
The priest is merely there to provide the service.
The power that Catholics give to priests is antithetical to Jesus' teachings. Priests should be there to guide people spiritually. They are not intermediaries. They should lay out the guidelines for communion but not tell people if they can or cannot participate because there is no way that a priest can honestly know with 100% certainty what is in another person's heart.
The church I grew up in would pass around the communion tray and let people decide for themselves it they should participate. The pastor would not go around and tell people that he thought were sinners that they could not participate. (And we didn't need someone to feed us the wafer like we were children.)
A priest should always be willing to reach out to sinners. By refusing communion, he could have just hardened Biden's heart and made him less likely to give his life to Christ. People are less likely to join the church if they don't feel like they are a part of it.
And communion is just a ritual. It really means nothing. It's just a way for people to feel like they are closer to God. God isn't going to refuse someone that has given his life to Him entry to Heaven just because he doesn't do a silly ritual. Rituals are for humans, not God.
This is completely inconsistent with Catholic theology and Dogma. It is also inconsistent with about 1600 years of unanimous Christian thought on Communion.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:29 pm to dkreller
quote:No, it's not in the same ballpark. We're talking about traditionally accepted teachings within the scriptures (acceptance of the viability of capital punishment) versus views that have not traditionally been accepted within the scriptures (abortion). It's not just a conversation about random current events, but what the Church has believed and taught based on the scriptures, themselves.
Of course it is. We’re discussing Church views on present day law.
quote:You know how I know you haven't read/studied your Bible?
So because the Bible tells stories of people being sentenced to death that means the Church is ok with it?
First of all, God has commanded the death penalty in some situations (Gen. 9:6; Num. 35:30-34) and has given authority to the nation of Israel to put people to death for certain crimes (Ex. 21:12-17; 22:19; Lev. 20:10,13; 24:17,21). Jesus upheld the death penalty (Matt. 15:1-9; Mark 7:8-13). Jesus' unjust death was necessary for the salvation of mankind (John 10:17-18; Matt. 20:28; Heb. 2:14). Even in the story of the woman caught in adultery (that may not actually belong in the Bible), Jesus didn't protest stoning generally, only the hypocrisy of those who didn't also bring the man who should have also been stoned for the act. Jesus also said He didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.
Revelation also supports God's judgment of blood for blood (Rev. 11:5; 13:10; 15:5-6).
The Apostle Paul, writing under the inspiration of God, wrote in support of the death penalty (Acts 25:11; Rom. 13:4).
There's still a lot more to say about this but the scriptures are clear that the death penalty is condoned because God is a just God and demands justice. For the imperfect justice that exists on earth, God will exact it in eternity.
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell." -Matt. 10:28
quote:He didn't deserve to be killed; that's the point. He was the only one that earned eternal life through perfect obedience to God's law. Everyone else sins, falls short of God's glory and perfect standard of righteousness, and needs to trust in Christ's sacrifice for sin. With that said, God used the death penalty to accomplish His will for humanity through His Son, and although Jesus didn't deserve to be put to death, we do, and God will put to death sin in us if we know Christ. If we don't, He will kill us through the second death, that is Hell, or the lake of fire.
Somebody tell Jesus he deserved what he got.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:34 am to BlackAdam
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I got some news for you... she is a practicing cafeteria catholic.
FIFY
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:52 pm to L.A.
So glad I don’t believe in God.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 5:28 pm to SulphursFinest
quote:And yet you live your life like you do.
So glad I don’t believe in God.
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