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re: For consideration by those who support the IDF...
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:59 am to Azkiger
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:59 am to Azkiger
quote:You're mocking the fall of creation when the pinnacle of said creation failed the test that God made for them. I get it. When you don't buy into a personal and sovereign God, or His revelation in the Bible, I can see where it would be a "stumbling block" to you and others, however the fall wasn't some sort of Rube Goldberg device. It was changing the environment that humanity had to live in to match the fallenness of their spiritual state.
Actually, my aim was to mock the idea that God set up some sort of contraption seen on kids movies with jinja blocks, rolling balls, and cups, that spawns all sorts of viruses and bacteria, changes the nature of animals, changes the climate to where earthquakes, tornados, forest fires, tidal waves, etc. all now exist when two people eat some fruit you left out for them, not try and trivialize the power to do such.
In the new heavens and new earth, everything will be renewed with no death, pain, or suffering. Even the earth will be renewed.
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:13 am to FooManChoo
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however the fall wasn't some sort of Rube Goldberg device.
Of course it was. The inciting incident is completely unrelated to the end effect. If I open a door and several confetti poppers pop in my face, I can be assured that some sort of convoluted contraption connected the act of opening a door to confetti poppers popping in my face because there's no natural connection between those two events.
Likewise, two people obtaining the understanding of good and evil do not naturally relate to changing the climate, or the creation of a whole host of various types of bacteria/viruses, or animal instincts.
There has to be a purposefully built mechanism in place to connect said inciting incident to all of the things that allegedly spawned from it.
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In the new heavens and new earth, everything will be renewed with no death, pain, or suffering. Even the earth will be renewed.
That's cool, glad God eventually fixes what he broke.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:18 am to Azkiger
quote:The earth was made for man, not man for the earth, and not the earth for God alone. God doesn't need the earth. The connection is that the earth was created as an environment for mankind to rule over, and in his fall, man received a fallen earth to struggle against. It's a curse for breaking the covenant of works. They aren't unrelated.
Of course it was. The inciting incident is completely unrelated to the end effect. If I open a door and several confetti poppers pop in my face, I can be assured that some sort of convoluted contraption connected the act of opening a door to confetti poppers popping in my face because there's no natural connection between those two events.
Likewise, two people obtaining the understanding of good and evil do not naturally relate to changing the climate, or the creation of a whole host of various types of bacteria/viruses, or animal instincts.
There has to be a purposefully built mechanism in place to connect said inciting incident to all of the things that allegedly spawned from it.
quote:God restores what was broken as a punishment for man's sin. It wasn't a mistake and it wasn't evil for God to punish sin.
That's cool, glad God eventually fixes what he broke.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:40 am to FooManChoo
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The connection is that the earth was created as an environment for mankind to rule over, and in his fall, man received a fallen earth to struggle against. It's a curse for breaking the covenant of works. They aren't unrelated.
I never said there wasn't some sort of conscious connection between the two events. I could expand my door opening/confetti popper example into a story where there's a prankster who loves to surprise people, and that'd explain the motive behind the creation of convoluted contraption.
Even still, there's no natural connection between opening a door and confetti poppers popping in my face. Someone had to purposefully create a contraption in order for that to happen.
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God restores what was broken as a punishment for man's sin.
I know. God punishes (breaks things) his children for wrongs committed even when they lacked the facilities to know that what they did was wrong.
If I spank my 10 month old child for pushing a vase off a table I'm a bad parent. But God gets verbal fellatio for doing the same thing.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:58 am to SirWinston
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Israel has now killed more innocent Christians since October 7th than innocent Israelis were killed by Hamas on Oct 7th.
Despicable. And the braindead cucks on here lap it up.
Hamas can surrender, give up their arms and release all hostages any time they'd like. The death of innocents is a tragic by-product of war. Probably should stay out of the war zone.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:09 pm to Champagne
Yes it is .....and you have no credibility because you can't read.
The Israeli military on Saturday entered the compound of the Holy Family Catholic Parish in Gaza, shooting at anyone leaving the church.
First the shooters were snipers .....Snipers won't reveal themselves after shot .......Then to change the story ....The Military entered the compound.
Which is it?
Make a stand or run.
The Israeli military on Saturday entered the compound of the Holy Family Catholic Parish in Gaza, shooting at anyone leaving the church.
First the shooters were snipers .....Snipers won't reveal themselves after shot .......Then to change the story ....The Military entered the compound.
Which is it?
Make a stand or run.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:32 pm to Azkiger
quote:Perhaps you should explain what you mean by "natural connection" between these things. Do you mean logical connection (cause and effect) or do you mean natural in the sense of nature and design/purpose of creation?
I never said there wasn't some sort of conscious connection between the two events. I could expand my door opening/confetti popper example into a story where there's a prankster who loves to surprise people, and that'd explain the motive behind the creation of convoluted contraption.
Even still, there's no natural connection between opening a door and confetti poppers popping in my face. Someone had to purposefully create a contraption in order for that to happen.
Either way, what I said was the connection: God created the earth for the pinnacle of His creation (mankind). The earth was paradise for man and when man fell, part of the punishment was to make his environment hostile so it wouldn't be easy for him any more. The fall of all creation was directly related to the fall of Adam.
quote:That example is not applicable because your 10 month old child literally doesn't know any better and doesn't have the rational skills to understand what he/she is doing or why it is wrong to do it.
I know. God punishes (breaks things) his children for wrongs committed even when they lacked the facilities to know that what they did was wrong.
If I spank my 10 month old child for pushing a vase off a table I'm a bad parent. But God gets verbal fellatio for doing the same thing.
Adam was created mature with a perfect mind. He was told exactly what he was supposed to do and not do and he was told what the consequences of his disobedience would be. Adam wasn't a 10 month old.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:36 pm to RemouladeSawce
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Satan
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god
Jesus will still save your soul, baw. None of us are worthy.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:47 pm to FooManChoo
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Either way, what I said was the connection
I'm speaking of cause and effect, and I'm not seeing how your explanation differs from what I'm describing.
Gaining the knowledge of good and evil spawning viruses and bacteria doesn't naturally follow, and requires some sort of contrived contraption to accomplish.
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...and he was told what the consequences of his disobedience would be.
You described the fall as a punishment, not just the cause and effect of reality. How can you punish someone for doing something they were incapable of knowing was wrong?
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:19 pm to Azkiger
quote:It wasn't the gaining of knowledge that was the cause of the fall of creation, but the disobedience of Adam that caused his environment to be changed as a punishment.
I'm speaking of cause and effect, and I'm not seeing how your explanation differs from what I'm describing.
Gaining the knowledge of good and evil spawning viruses and bacteria doesn't naturally follow, and requires some sort of contrived contraption to accomplish.
The reason why I keep saying that mankind was the pinnacle of creation is that the earth was created for man to dwell in and for man to rule over. It wasn't created as its own thing being wholly disconnected from Adam. Therefore, when man fell, part of the punishment for him was that his environment was changed to be hostile against him. The land wasn't going to produce food easily but man had to work hard to get food out of it. Animals were no longer going to live peacefully with him, but were going to compete for resources and some were going to attack him. The fall of creation represented the break in harmony and peace that God had with Adam, but with his environment.
quote:Adam was punished for eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He was punished for his disobedience. He was told not to eat of that tree and he understood that command and disobeyed anyway.
You described the fall as a punishment, not just the cause and effect of reality. How can you punish someone for doing something they were incapable of knowing was wrong?
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