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re: Hospitals are overwhelmed!
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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We did what most people said we had to do in order to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.
So, hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed.
Now this is some sort of gotcha?
The group think around here is pretty pathetic with this virus. And this is coming from a huge MAGA supporter and hater of the MSM.
Literally ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY "could have happened" if we "hadn't" acted.
Make up whatever you want.
Now tell me why the same cannot be said for the Iraq War.
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Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:16 pm to stout
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A lot of Flu deaths are calculated as pneumonia being the primary cause. We are not doing that with COVID. Why?
You want to do that? That would severely inflate the COVID numbers. You want to include post surgical pneumonias, community acquired pneumonias, etc. In COVID numbers?
You clearly don’t know how this works. They are only counting laboratory confirmed deaths of COVID, they only do that in like 0.1% of “flu deaths”
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:No, it supports the claim that we went overboard and placed 17 million people on UE while dumping $2 trillion into a black hole, while also potentially crushing our economy.
Again, how many times does this have to be said? Staying at home prevented that scenario, now you think it supports your original claim of “it’s just the flu”?
That isn’t saying that we shouldn’t have done anything.
That is the bullshite statement y’all have been throwing at me from the beginning.
We did too much, IMO.
That isn’t provable, but neither is your position that 100s of thousands or even millions would have died if we didn’t do this.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Staying at home prevented that scenario
Staying home didn't drop us from 2 million all the way down to 60K
I can look out my window right now and see crowds of people standing at the lake hanging out.
The public transit in New York is still packed and has been. Pictures and photos all over the internet if you look.
Not as many people stayed at home as you are saying. If you think so, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:16 pm to stout
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The exact timing and duration of flu seasons can vary, but influenza activity often begins to increase in October. Most of the time flu activity peaks between December and February, although activity can last as late as May.
CDC
We gotta work on your sources, man.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:You clearly haven’t kept up, because that isn’t true.
They are only counting laboratory confirmed deaths of COVID
They are counting undiagnosed cases that are “suspected”.
Brix said as much in a recent press conference.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:18 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Wait, what? You get pneumonia because of the Flu ... you don't get the Flu because of pneumonia.
Yes, I know but some of those cases aren't counted in the flu death totals because the primary cause was ultimately pneumonia. The opposite is true in COVID.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:19 pm to Scruffy
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We did too much, IMO.
Again, I agree with you.
The question is why aren’t the hospitals full?
The answer has a lot more to do with our actions than the properties of the virus. Deep down you know this.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:20 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Activity but there was 100% an article posted here that said deaths peaked late into the flu season around Feb/March. I remember it because I too figured that was odd. Maybe it was just last year that it did that or something? Any way it stood out to me.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:20 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Or they wouldn’t have filled up at all.
The answer has a lot more to do with our actions than the properties of the virus.
And by “not full”, they mean empty of everything.
We are destroying small hospitals with these policies.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:21 pm to stout
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Staying home didn't drop us from 2 million all the way down to 60K
Jesus Christ. The virus has been here a matter of months and we have all been inside. The models that showed 2 million dead where the total dead if we were to do nothing and reach herd immunity.
The 60k dead is for this initial wave if we lockdown the country
How close to herd immunity are we?
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:22 pm to stout
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Yes, I know but some of those cases aren't counted in the flu death totals because the primary cause was ultimately pneumonia. The opposite is true in COVID.
There's no other way to do COVID right now. Flu has been around long enough to find a pattern.
If someone dies from pneumonia, the underlying cause may have well been the Flu. Instead of counting it directly, they have a formula for it. But it's still counted.
If a patient dies from pneumonia now, and is positive for COVID, they hard count it because the virus hasn't been around long enough to create a formula.
How else would you have them do it?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:22 pm to Scruffy
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You clearly haven’t kept up, because that isn’t true.
They are counting undiagnosed cases that are “suspected”.
Brix said as much in a recent press conference.
He will say whatever he needs to in order to fit his narrative and defend his "2 million will die!" even if it doesn't fit what Brix is saying.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:22 pm to Scruffy
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Or they wouldn’t have filled up at all.
So your hypothesis is that if we did nothing the hospitals may not have been overwhelmed?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:23 pm to stout
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He will say whatever he needs to in order to fit his narrative and defend his "2 million will die!"
It’s not my narrative and you haven’t linked to me claiming that as a prediction, because I didn’t.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:24 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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and we have all been inside.
No we haven't. Go look at photos of the subway in NY still as packed as ever. My friends in L.A. are still hanging out at the beach nearly every day as are several people.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:24 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Ah, so you are just a disingenuous hack who continues to push the stance that I have said we shouldn’t do anything at all.
So your hypothesis is that if we did nothing the hospitals may not have been overwhelmed?
Got it.
Carry on.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:25 pm to stout
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Activity but there was 100% an article posted here that said deaths peaked late into the flu season around Feb/March. I remember it because I too figured that was odd. Maybe it was just last year that it did that or something? Any way it stood out to me.
Well by your metric, if we JUST passed the peak of new hospitalizations ... then we'll see COVID deaths peak in weeks time. I still don't get your point?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:25 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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There's no other way to do COVID right now.
I get that and even mentioned Brix has said that we will revisit it down the road to get a more accurate count. So even she has acknowledged that the numbers are probably not as bad as reported and will be revised accordingly.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:26 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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100%.
The whole point of quarantine wasn't to eradicate the virus... it was to keep the hospital system from being overwhelmed. Quarantining is working.
It would be interesting to see a current national average census ... plus what an average national census would be if we included elective surgeries and see if we're above the threshold for hospitals.
1. you're not in quarantine, not even the people that work with the infected at the hospital are in quarantine... they go wherever they want
2. what evidence do you have that its "working"
I'll provide some initial data to suggest the opposite, doing nothing would give you possibly similar rate i.e. Sweden. This was spoke about on this forum 3-4 weeks ago with the Oxford model.
LINK
The curve in Sweden is almost exactly the same.
LINK
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