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re: Hot Take: It's terrible strategy to deport in solid blue states
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Why aren’t laws being executed equally everywhere?
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Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why aren't they doing it now in a way to affect the successful red states?
Many have moved but when BP has a presence all over the country, it seems pointless for them to move
Let it be known you aren't going to operate in MN and add more agents to TX and watch how fast TX drains for MN
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:43 pm to CubsFanBudMan
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You assume it's getting negative feedback because that's what the MSM wants you to think. The silent majority approves. Who knows, this show of force might increase self-deportations.
I'm not sure this is true.
Trump only won ~45% of white women in 2024. He won about 48% of Hispanic men in 2024.
We can't afford to shed either of those numbers. I'd be willing to bet that the narrative out of MSP (true or not) hurts us more than it helps us.
This kind of dirty work is best done below the radar. We need to realize that the TD Political Talk message board is a right wing bubble. This board does NOT reflect the actual Trump voters in 2024. He won a TON of moderates like Rogan, Theo Vonn, and soccer moms in swing districts who don't like the deportations and would likely consider voting for a "moderate Democrat" like Josh Shapiro because of them.
This post was edited on 1/27/26 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:43 pm to stout
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Let it be known you aren't going to operate in MN and add more agents to TX and watch how fast TX drains for MN
But this already exists. Plenty of areas are not being operated much and don't have local support and that's why immigration efforts there stalled.
This scenario already exists across the country in many blue areas. We aren't seeing a mass exodus to these areas from red areas.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:44 pm to SirWinston
Illegals mooching of the system, and that's where it is allowed and encouraged.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:44 pm to prplngldtigr
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Why aren’t laws being executed equally everywhere?
Finite resources make that impossible.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not the only reason…what else?
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This scenario already exists across the country in many blue areas. We aren't seeing a mass exodus to these areas from red areas.
Not really. No one knows which state BP will surge in next. Just because they aren't in an area now doesn't mean they won't be next week.
What you and Winston are proposing is giving up on a state and making it a safe haven for illegals by removing the chance BP could surge there
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:46 pm to prplngldtigr
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Not the only reason…what else?
No that's literally the reason.
The question is how to best and most efficiently allocate those limited resources.
Focusing on areas (1) with more illegals and (2) with cooperating local LEO means more efficient use of those resources in deporting illegals.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:47 pm to stout
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No one knows which state BP will surge in next.
They know who isn't cooperating and where they're unlikely to go.
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What you and Winston are proposing is giving up on a state and making it a safe haven for illegals by removing the chance BP could surge there
MN is already a safe haven for illegals
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:48 pm to SirWinston
quote:Correct, but at the current rate the 2030 census will most likely see CA lose 5 seats, NY lose 2 seats, Illinois lose 1 seat, TX lose 2 seats, and FL lose 1 seat. That is 11 Blue seats, and a net 8 loss in Blue electoral votes. Those 11 seats would go somewhere and AL, OH, MO, and WV would all get 1 and at the very least electoral college wise be a net gain of 1. At best we would see those 12 blue seats go 7-5 to traditional red areas but more likely is 3-9.
We do not (nor will we ever) control any house seats in MSP, Portland, Los Angeles, Richmond, San Fran, Philly, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc.
The pushback by these governances is for sanctuary funding, federal funding (amount allotted according to census numbers), and voting power. This is why Obama went hard towards TX, AZ, and FL when he was in office.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They know who isn't cooperating and where they're unlikely to go.
They can assume. You and Winston are proposing to leave no doubt
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MN is already a safe haven for illegals
The 30K deported the past month from MN would disagree with you
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's about feelings and virtue signaling more than facts and logic.
SFP is right- the Left is making these deportations about feelings and virtue signaling, where they should be about facts and logic- these illegals are criminals and are being removed. Clean and simple.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:49 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Correct, but at the current rate the 2030 census will most likely see CA lose 5 seats, NY lose 2 seats, Illinois lose 1 seat, TX lose 2 seats, and FL lose 1 seat. That is 11 Blue seats, and a net 8 loss in Blue electoral votes.
What is the specific % from illegals being deported? I imagine very low for CA, NY, and ILL.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:49 pm to SirWinston
They don’t have the backing in the Bible Belt to protest or infiltrate. They know these places up north are where their breads buttered.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not really.
Some areas have decided which laws will be followed and which will not be followed.
“Sanctuary Cities” decided there is no such thing as illegal immigration and didn’t enforce laws even if they had resources.
Ignoring laws isn’t the same as lacking resources to enforce.
Some areas have decided which laws will be followed and which will not be followed.
“Sanctuary Cities” decided there is no such thing as illegal immigration and didn’t enforce laws even if they had resources.
Ignoring laws isn’t the same as lacking resources to enforce.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:50 pm to Placekicker
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SFP is right- the Left is making these deportations about feelings and virtue signaling, where they should be about facts and logic- these illegals are criminals and are being removed. Clean and simple.
I'm not shocked you don't understand what's being discussed
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:50 pm to SirWinston
You sound like a defeatist.
Never relent
Never Surrender
Never run
Never relent
Never Surrender
Never run
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:51 pm to prplngldtigr
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Some areas have decided which laws will be followed and which will not be followed.
My post literally covered that
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“Sanctuary Cities” decided there is no such thing as illegal immigration and didn’t enforce laws even if they had resources.
Ignoring laws isn’t the same as lacking resources to enforce.
Why are you discussing state/local resources when we're discussing federal resources?
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:52 pm to SirWinston
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Hot Take: It's terrible strategy to deport in solid blue states
Fwiw OP lives in Portland
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