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re: If Hitler was allowed to take over Europe, then Islam wouldn't be a problem now
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:54 pm to Blue Velvet
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:54 pm to Blue Velvet
quote:I'm not a Christian and am only interested in the truth. You are not.
Ironic coming from a Christian fascist.
quote:Why do you lie? It's in the above posts.
Proud Christian who acknowledged Hitler was a Christian.
quote:Find any shred that he was devout in his personal life. All you have is a book and some speeches, obvious propaganda. I have the book, some speeches, and everything else. Why do you ignore it? How do you rectify that? Is everyone just a Christian liar?
Says the guy who thinks Hitler wasn't a Christian, though Hitler claimed to be a Christian for 40+ years. Totally, brah.
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:57 pm to Blue Velvet
quote:
1) The reliability of the source (hearsay and editing by the anti-Catholic, Bormann)
So you're asserting that the virulent anti-Catholic covered up Hitler's true feelings to make Catholics look good and his own side (atheists) look bad?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:59 pm to Bestbank Tiger
The more he digs he more he's gonna realize how deep the conspiracy goes. A lot of people lied about Hitler's relationship with church. 
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:05 pm to genro
quote:2/10
only interested in the truth
quote:
Why do you lie?
quote:-Joseph Goebbels
I converse with Christ. I believed I had overcome him, but I have only overcome his idoltrous priests and false servants. Christ is harsh and relentless.
I take the Bible, and all evening long I read the simplest and greatest sermon that has ever been given to mankind: The Sermon on the Mount! 'Blessed are they who suffer persecution for the sake of justice, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven'!
Christ is the genius of love, as such the most diametrical opposite of Judaism, which is the incarnation of hate. The Jew is a non-race among the races of the earth.... Christ is the first great enemy of the Jews.... that is why Judaism had to get rid of him. For he was shaking the very foundations of its future international power. The Jew is the lie personified. When he crucified Christ, he crucified everlasting truth for the first time in history.
The idea of sacrifice first gained visible shape in Christ. Sacrifice is intrinsic to socialism.... The Jew, however, does not understand this at all. His socialism consists of sacrificing others for himself. This is what Marxism is like in practice.... The struggle we are now waging today until victory or the bitter end, is in its deepest sense, a struggle between Christ and Marx. Christ: the principle of love. Marx: the principle of hate.
A Jew is for me an object of disgust. I feel like vomiting when I see one. Christ could not possibly have been a Jew. It is not necessary to prove that scientifically-- it is a fact.
When today a clique accuses us of having anti-Christian opinions, I believe that the first Christian, Christ himself, would discover more of his teaching in our actions than in this theological hair-splitting.
When we call for the unification of the Protestant Church, we do so because we do not see how, in a time when the whole Reich is unifying itself, twenty-eight Landeskirchen can persist.... In the interpretation of the Gospel one may hold the command of God higher than human commands. In the interpretation of political realities, we consider ourselves to be God's instrument.
A verbal confession cannot suffice; we require an active confession. Christianity to us is no empty form, but rather a continual action.
We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the Führer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty.
quote:Yes. Sad really. Too bad Hitler didn't live during the time of television, the printing press, radio broadcast, or even written history. We only have myths handed down to us over time? Wait... what's that? We have Hitler's words via all of the above? Crikey! Jumping Jehoshaphat! We can actually learn about Hitler from his life's work. Where he ... well... you know.... claimed to be a Christian for 40+ years.
All you have is a book and some speeches
quote:Lies and deflection really your only ground game?
Is everyone just a Christian liar?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:08 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Nope. Only asserting that there has been widespread speculation to the credibility, specifically to the source and the translation, of the major work that many people claim debunks Hitler's Christian beliefs; despite the fact that even it everything from the table talk is true, it would still not discredit the decades of proof that Hitler was in fact a Christian who later wanted to turn the church into his image.
So you're asserting that the virulent anti-Catholic covered up Hitler's true feelings to make Catholics look good and his own side (atheists) look bad?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:10 pm to Blue Velvet
quote:I have not deflected. I have addressed your one cited sources that called the Table Talks into question, the Mein Kampf, and your posts. You continue to block quote ad nauseum.
Lies and deflection really your only ground game?
You have not addressed my dozens of cited sources, the statements made by those who knew him, my logical exercise, or the fact that a consensus of historians consider the Table Talk genuine and authentic and all you have is one dissenting source.
You are merely deflecting with more Mein Kampf quotes, and not addressing the actual evidence. This is obvious to anyone reading this thread.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:13 pm to genro
quote:False. Years after Mein Kampf, Hitler and his followers were still promoting Christianity. I have shown that.
You are merely deflecting with more Mein Kampf quotes
quote:Hopefully they've given up reading posts by someone who claims Hitler wasn't a Christian even though Hitler, his followers, and the church said that he was. I shall give up too. You're hopeless. Prayers sent.
This is obvious to anyone reading this thread.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:18 pm to Blue Velvet
Hitler proclaimed Christianity
Most Germans were Christian
Hitler personally was not religious, and he used Christianity like any politician would (say, in America).
I'm putting the evidence for the third point in this thread. You are completely ignoring it and there is mounds of it. I don't know how you can flatly ignore it and refuse to consider it as a possibility when you see all the fricking time in the real world. That's dishonest.
Most Germans were Christian
Hitler personally was not religious, and he used Christianity like any politician would (say, in America).
I'm putting the evidence for the third point in this thread. You are completely ignoring it and there is mounds of it. I don't know how you can flatly ignore it and refuse to consider it as a possibility when you see all the fricking time in the real world. That's dishonest.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:44 pm to LarrytheGolfer
quote:
If Hitler was allowed to take over Europe,
Hitler was allowed to take over Europe.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:18 pm to Blue Velvet
Alfred Rosenberg was openly antichristian and neopagan. He became Hitler's chief aide in time. Now according to wiki
So, Hitler did not believe in Christianity despite his public profession. This is evidenced by all late private conversation as mentioned on the last few pages. This is also evidenced by his eventual assault on the Church, as demonstrated in the posts above. Then we have his chief appointment of well-known well-established open pagan evolutionist (Rosenberg).
Hitler attacks Christianity
Dismisses neopaganism as nonsense
Supports evolutionists
Hmmm
I told you it required a little effort and critical thinking.
I'm doing this on my phone
quote:
Some Nazi leaders, such as Martin Bormann, were anti-Christian and sympathetic to Rosenberg.[58] Once in power, Hitler and most Nazi leaders sought to unify the Christian denominations in favor of "positive Christianity". Hitler privately condemned mystical and pseudoreligious interests as "nonsense".[59] However, he and Goebbels agreed that after the Endsieg (Final Victory) the Reich Church should be pressed into evolving into a German social evolutionist organisation proclaiming the cult of race, blood and battle, instead of Redemption and the Ten Commandments of Moses, which they deemed outdated and Jewish.[60]
So, Hitler did not believe in Christianity despite his public profession. This is evidenced by all late private conversation as mentioned on the last few pages. This is also evidenced by his eventual assault on the Church, as demonstrated in the posts above. Then we have his chief appointment of well-known well-established open pagan evolutionist (Rosenberg).
Hitler attacks Christianity
Dismisses neopaganism as nonsense
Supports evolutionists
Hmmm
I told you it required a little effort and critical thinking.
I'm doing this on my phone
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:15 am to genro
This has been overly confrontational and I've (maybe) been sloppy. Maybe tomorrow I can link and compile all of this. In the meantime you can check each for these points for yourselves.
-Social Darwinism was a very real phenomenon in the West that came about as a gross misunderstanding of evolution
-Hitler was not the first to talk about racial superiority on this basis. Teddy Roosevelt had done it in America, Churchill in England.
-Hitler should be understood as a megalomaniac and manipulative genius. Uniting the radical far-left (socialism) with the radical far-right (nationalism) was not just some accident of ideology. He honed his speaking skills to the point that he could entrance audiences. He was always seeking power and he knew how to manipulate people.
- Private conversations in Hitler's late life, aside from the not-actually-debunked Table Talks, show a disdain for Christianity. A consensus of historians agree he wanted to deChristianize Europe gradually.
-He actually began to do so! Catholics died in the Holocaust and the Church was brutally persecuted in the later years.
-Contemporaneous newspapers from America and Britain, who were also very culturally attuned to the ideals of social Darwinism, recognized this as his long term plan - the elimination of all religion
-Social Darwinism was a very real phenomenon in the West that came about as a gross misunderstanding of evolution
-Hitler was not the first to talk about racial superiority on this basis. Teddy Roosevelt had done it in America, Churchill in England.
-Hitler should be understood as a megalomaniac and manipulative genius. Uniting the radical far-left (socialism) with the radical far-right (nationalism) was not just some accident of ideology. He honed his speaking skills to the point that he could entrance audiences. He was always seeking power and he knew how to manipulate people.
- Private conversations in Hitler's late life, aside from the not-actually-debunked Table Talks, show a disdain for Christianity. A consensus of historians agree he wanted to deChristianize Europe gradually.
-He actually began to do so! Catholics died in the Holocaust and the Church was brutally persecuted in the later years.
-Contemporaneous newspapers from America and Britain, who were also very culturally attuned to the ideals of social Darwinism, recognized this as his long term plan - the elimination of all religion
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 12:40 am
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