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re: Is This True About The Deep State?
Posted on 1/11/26 at 3:12 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 1/11/26 at 3:12 pm to Toomer Deplorable
It culminated with GHW Bush as Reagan's VP. Fortunately Reagan survived the assassin's bullet but once GHW Bush got control, it went downhill fast.
Now you know why they hate POTUS Trump!!
Now you know why they hate POTUS Trump!!
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Posted on 1/11/26 at 3:20 pm to Mikes My Tiger
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It's pretty hilarious that a lot of yall believe that:
1. The Deep State exists
2. But guys like Trump & Musk aren't apart of it
Musk is the richest man in the world and Trump is the single most powerful man in the world but they constantly get out-maneuvered by more powerful billionaires? Maybe yall should listen to those guys then.
1. There is a deep state to the extent certain elements / powerful groups have influenced what voices get promoted within both the R and D parties. Over time, they've filled in positions in government, and at certain elitist universities from which they recruit new talent, etc.
The system of elections has suited them well enough so long as their people get in. Notice how waves of messaging that the system itself is broken became amplified when a total outsider (Trump) pulled off the upset over Hillary. Notice how much of the Republican party (Ryan, McConnell, others) sabotaged Trump at nearly every turn.
The Deep State simply underestimated Trump's ability to be elected and to manage narratives. It doesn't help them that they overplayed their hand with terrible candidates (Kamala in particular).
2. Trump and Musk have operated alongside the Deep State for different reasons. Trump was useful so long as he was writing checks. I seem to recall at least one anecdote where Senator Gillibrand (D) in NY was more than happy to kiss Trump's arse when she wanted him to write her a check... well before he ran for President. Now, he's anathema to her. Musk was successful with PayPal and Tesla, but his SpaceX efforts in particular made him useful to the IC. So what.
Technically, Trump is in the Deep State since he formally sits at the head of it as the lead executive. Being part of it in this way does not mean he is part of it in the context of having the same agenda they do... Clearly, for anyone with an IQ above room temperature, Trump is at odds with much of the entrenched bureaucracy.
It's really not that hard to understand.
This post was edited on 1/11/26 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/11/26 at 3:23 pm to Toomer Deplorable
To Larry McDonald, RIP... 
Posted on 1/11/26 at 3:47 pm to epbart
quote:
1. There is a deep state to the extent certain elements / powerful groups have influenced what voices get promoted within both the R and D parties. Over time, they've filled in positions in government, and at certain elitist universities from which they recruit new talent, etc.
The system of elections has suited them well enough so long as their people get in. Notice how waves of messaging that the system itself is broken became amplified when a total outsider (Trump) pulled off the upset over Hillary. Notice how much of the Republican party (Ryan, McConnell, others) sabotaged Trump at nearly every turn.
The Deep State simply underestimated Trump's ability to be elected and to manage narratives. It doesn't help them that they overplayed their hand with terrible candidates (Kamala in particular).
2. Trump and Musk have operated alongside the Deep State for different reasons. Trump was useful so long as he was writing checks. I seem to recall at least one anecdote where Senator Gillibrand (D) in NY was more than happy to kiss Trump's arse when she wanted him to write her a check... well before he ran for President. Now, he's anathema to her. Musk was successful with PayPal and Tesla, but his SpaceX efforts in particular made him useful to the IC. So what.
Technically, Trump is in the Deep State since he formally sits at the head of it as the lead executive. Being part of it in this way does not mean he is part of it in the context of having the same agenda they do... Clearly, for anyone with an IQ above room temperature, Trump is at odds with much of the entrenched bureaucracy.
It's really not that hard to understand.
Posted on 1/11/26 at 3:54 pm to EphesianArmor
So you believe these politicians’ hatred of Trump is just for show? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that would be best acting performance in history. While these politicians are great liars, the hatred seems pretty genuine and much of what Trump has done has negatively affected Washington’s elite.
Posted on 1/11/26 at 4:02 pm to Mikes My Tiger
That gif is a bit odd for a reply and doesn't dismiss the general premise of my reply to you:
Toomer's contention that Trump's 2nd admin has been hijacked by parts of the Deep State that he makes further down on page 1 (there is a case for that) is a more plausible way of trying to tie Trump himself to the Deep State. Otherwise, your post was simplistic.
quote:
Technically, Trump is in the Deep State since he formally sits at the head of it as the lead executive. Being part of it in this way does not mean he is part of it in the context of having the same agenda they do... Clearly, for anyone with an IQ above room temperature, Trump is at odds with much of the entrenched bureaucracy.
Toomer's contention that Trump's 2nd admin has been hijacked by parts of the Deep State that he makes further down on page 1 (there is a case for that) is a more plausible way of trying to tie Trump himself to the Deep State. Otherwise, your post was simplistic.
Posted on 1/11/26 at 4:35 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Political hacks, like this site is full of, have short memories.
I’ll never forget Christie calling out Rubio in 16 about him being a puppet/robot, and then Rubio, on Que, repeats himself 3 times.
I’ll never forget Christie calling out Rubio in 16 about him being a puppet/robot, and then Rubio, on Que, repeats himself 3 times.
Posted on 1/11/26 at 5:01 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Do a deep dive on william j Casey. He was reagans cia director. He was one of the head guys at a media company called Capital cities. They ended up buying the much larger ABC network. After reagan got rid of a equal time law, conservative talk radio became a thing. An unknown radio guy in Sacramento went to wabc in New York for his show. Rush was the greatest infuencer of all time.
This post was edited on 1/12/26 at 6:45 am
Posted on 1/11/26 at 5:03 pm to BamaCoaster
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I’ll never forget Christie calling out Rubio in 16 about him being a puppet/robot, and then Rubio, on Que, repeats himself 3 times.
You have a good memory. It is seems like ancient history since Chris Christie was considered a viable national candidate.
And talk about the pot calling the kettle black — that walking donut was as much of a neocon hack as Rubio. I bet Christie and all those other neocon stooges are laughing at MAGA now.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 6:33 am to Timeoday
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Bush
In 1980, Reagan’s base represented the Goldwater wing of the GOP that was suspicious of globalist organizations like the Council On Foreign Relations and David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission. Reagan likewise argued for a return to the Gold Standard:
Yet these issues were summarily taken off the table after Reagan won the GOP nomination. Reagan himself was forced to embrace Rockefeller Republicanism when he named George Bush to be his VP pick.
The lesson here is that the UniParty® exists to perpetuate the Deep State and the Deep State exists to perpetuate our nation’s print-on-demand monetary system. The current crisis continues until we return to sound monetary policies.
“The Trilateralist Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateralist Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power – political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical.” Barry Goldwater: No Apologies.
This post was edited on 1/12/26 at 6:35 am
Posted on 1/12/26 at 6:33 am to texas tortilla
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Casey
Casey apocryphally is credited as saying: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when the American people doesn’t know what to believe.” Whatever the provenance of that quote — as these two headlines from the the “newspaper of record” demonstrate — we long ago have passed that point:
Posted on 1/12/26 at 8:29 am to Toomer Deplorable
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The lesson here is that the UniParty® exists to perpetuate the Deep State and the Deep State exists to perpetuate our nation’s print-on-demand monetary system. The current crisis continues until we return to sound monetary policies.
If one wants to really explore the potential conspiratorial depths of this, then it becomes interesting to know:
Senator Nelson Aldrich was one of the members of The Creature from Jekyll Island crew, and was the lead legislator who guided the drafting the of the legislation that created the Federal Reserve.
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He worked with several key bankers and economists, including Paul Warburg, Abram Andrew, Frank A. Vanderlip, and Henry Davison, to design a plan for an American central bank in 1911. This work included a trip to Jekyll Island in 1910 to finalize the details of the federal reserve banking plan.[13] In 1913 Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act patterned after Aldrich's vision, creating the modern Federal Reserve System.
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Senator Aldrich's daughter, Abigail, went on to marry John D. Rockefeller, Jr, whose children include Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (who I mentioned already for his role in helping create the entrenched bureaucracy) and David Rockefeller (who aside from his already mentioned CIA ties, influence peddling through Kissinger, and acting as head of the CFR, also ran Chase National Bank (which became Chase Manhattan, then part of JPMC).
I'm straying off into my own opinions here, and haven't read anything to support this, but it seems interesting to observe how Nelson & David successfully leveraged their oil fortune into very deep tentacles in politics and finance to the point that the current Rockefeller generation can politically be somewhat anti-big oil and pro-green energy. Since the Fed is opaque and legally protected from audit, it is definitely interesting to wonder how it might be organized, who benefits and how.
Also, considering some of G Edward Griffin's allegations in The Creature from Jekyll Island (IIRC):
- that the Chair of the Fed is something of a ceremonial position, created to give the illusion that the government has control (when the cartel really makes the decisions)
- that the Chair is picked from a pool of pre-approved candidates (by the Fed cartel)
I can't help but wonder about the current tension between Trump and Powell. With the Rockefeller family having blood ties to the creation of the Fed, and having open (not conspiratorial) ties to orgs like the UN, WHO, CFR, etc. that have bled the wealth of the US, I can't help but wonder if Powell-- however independent he may claim to be-- isn't under the influence of those Rockefeller / neocon elements who do not want Trump to succeed-- especially not at the expense of the grift machine they've created. I know there are arguments for interest rates being legitimately too low (arguable), but to the extent Trump is acting against the machine, I simply see it is unlikely the Fed would lower rates to help a Trump to strengthen the US if its going to hurt their hidden globalist agenda.
... just some stray thoughts that have bounced around in my head that align to your assertion that the Deep State exists to perpetuate the print-on-demand money system. I mean, raking in interest ($400 billion a year or more or whatever it is at this point?) off the government debt created from fabricated money to support the agendas that they create for the government to spend on... which is also a profit center for them since they own at least a share of whatever corporate holdings benefit from government spending AND some of their NGO's receive government money... that's a helluva grift.
This post was edited on 1/12/26 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:06 am to Toomer Deplorable
Thank you for that powerful reminder.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:22 am to epbart
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In 1913 Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act patterned after Aldrich's vision, creating the modern Federal Reserve System.
1913 was the annus horribilis in American history. Woodrow Wilson assumed the Presidency, the Fed was established and a progressive income tax was initiated.
The 17th Amendment also was passed. This led to the direct election of Senators instead of their appointment by state legislators which effectively killed the doctrine of States’ rights.
All these elements coalesced to create a massive shift of centralized power to Washington D.C. It has been a downhill slide into tyranny ever since.
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