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re: It's interesting that so many have missed what the battle concerning NN is about
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:08 am to CorporateTiger
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:08 am to CorporateTiger
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mean sure. I dislike government beaurocracy. I wish some proposed a realistic plan to repeal the anti-competitive laws passed on a state and local level. If we had an actual free market for ISPs then this would great. Unfortunately we don’t.
Exactly
In a true free market each ISP would decide on their own to operate in an area. They would not be road blocked by their competition.
If they all were able to go head to head in every market, prices would go down and data caps would be non existent bc the consumer would leave when a better price and service was out there.
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:10 am to CptBengal
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It's interesting that so many have missed what the battle concerning NN is about by CptBengal
People are losing their minds over a situation that will be self correcting through market forces. Any ISP who chooses to restrict/block/throttle their customers service will risk losing those customers, they will switch to an ISP that is less restrictive so competition will have the final say.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:12 am to Bass Tiger
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Any ISP who chooses to restrict/block/throttle their customers service will risk losing those customers, they will switch to an ISP that is less restrictive so competition will have the final say.
Oooo if switching ISPs was so easy and everyone had a large amount of choices
If my ISP went this route I’d be shite out of luck.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:15 am to StraightCashHomey21
If you live in a rural area you could face some challenges but if you live in a larger metro area you should have a minimum of 3 choices, but don’t worry, in the near future 5G technology will allow even the rural areas several choices, it’s coming.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:16 am to Bass Tiger
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People are losing their minds over a situation that will be self correcting through market forces. Any ISP who chooses to restrict/block/throttle their customers service will risk losing those customers, they will switch to an ISP that is less restrictive so competition will have the final say.
Year long contracts, limited choices at current speeds (90% of Americans have 1 or fewer at current broadband speeds), difficulty in getting new lines installed, etc.
Also the content provider side has a much more fragmented market and the start-up costs are pretty negligible. Don’t like reddit’s policies? Then start voat. Don’t like Comcast + AT&T pushing their agenda? Good luck doing anything about it.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:17 am to Bass Tiger
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If you live in a rural area you could face some challenges but if you live in a larger metro area you should have a minimum of 3 choices, but don’t worry, in the near future 5G technology will allow even the rural areas several choices, it’s coming
Nope. The tech will remain static. Once the what ifs happen, we will be forever doomed.
The market barriers are insurmountable!!!!! ROFLMAO
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:17 am to Bass Tiger
Even some major areas still offer two legit choices and if they are only Comcast and Cox you are fricked
As for 5G, that is not a permanent solution over a wired connection.
As for 5G, that is not a permanent solution over a wired connection.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:19 am to CorporateTiger
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Also the content provider side has a much more fragmented market and the start-up costs are pretty negligible. Don’t like reddit’s policies? Then start voat. Don’t like Comcast + AT&T pushing their agenda? Good luck doing anything about it.
SMDH
You see. This is why everyone claiming their tech expertise trumps everything make me laugh.
What i quoted is so blindingly bad economically that it makes me look like a tech genius by comparison
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:19 am to ShortyRob
Nothin like policy-making based on the hopeful growth of technology.
Why not let the tech develop into a true competitor then change policy based on real not hypothetical technology.
Why not let the tech develop into a true competitor then change policy based on real not hypothetical technology.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:20 am to CorporateTiger
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Nothin like policy-making based on the hopeful growth of technology
The hopeful? The HOPEFUL?
Holy shite. ROFLMAO
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:20 am to ShortyRob
I’m not relying on tech expertise. I’m relying on my background in competition law. Keeping throwing out appeals to authority without actually advancing and argument.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:21 am to ShortyRob
That isn’t even an argument. You are literally just exclaiming random things in a scoffing manner.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:22 am to CorporateTiger
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’m not relying on tech expertise. I’m relying on my background in competition law. Keeping throwing out appeals to authority without actually advancing and argument
LOL
The arguments have been laid out ad nauseum.
Hell. That's why my first post here simply asked you guys to play devils advocate with yourselves
Crickets
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:23 am to CorporateTiger
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That isn’t even an argument. You are literally just exclaiming random things in a scoffing manner.
Dude. You just referred to improvements in tech as me being "hopeful". Come on. WTF
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:25 am to CorporateTiger
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Year long contracts, limited choices at current speeds (90% of Americans have 1 or fewer at current broadband speeds), difficulty in getting new lines installed, etc. Also the content provider side has a much more fragmented market and the start-up costs are pretty negligible. Don’t like reddit’s policies? Then start voat. Don’t like Comcast + AT&T pushing their agenda? Good luck doing anything about it.
Hell, I live in a podunk area just outside of KC and there’s at least 3 choices here not to mention using a wireless plan with unlimited data, using a hotspot takes my choices up to 7. All ISP try to match the competitions price/speed/customer service, etc. so they all have to understand if one ISP is less restrictive the others follow suit.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:25 am to StraightCashHomey21
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As for 5G, that is not a permanent solution over a wired connection.
You talk about rural areas... Then complain about a faster service than rural wired?
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:26 am to ShortyRob
Technology will develop, but it will develop regardless of NN. Predicting how and how it fast it develops is the issue. Your proposal is to make policy based on a certain technology develop that may or may not develop in the correct manner and at the rate you wish. That’s a horrible way to make policy.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:27 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:31 am to CorporateTiger
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. Predicting how and how it fast it develops is the issu
No need to predict
quote:There's no "correct manner"
Your proposal is to make policy based on a certain technology develop that may or may not develop in the correct manner and at the rate you wish
quote:it's actually precisely the correct way
That’s a horrible way to make policy
Markets and innovations are almost completely unpredictable.
That's what makes them irreplaceable.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:34 am to ShortyRob
Weve has this debate enough already. I get that you are ready to have Comcast and AT&T determining what you get to see.
I think that making policy based on how you project the technology to develop is ridiculous for things like this. Solar could displace the power grid to a large degree, but we aren’t repealing regulations based on that policy.
With that I’m done here.
I think that making policy based on how you project the technology to develop is ridiculous for things like this. Solar could displace the power grid to a large degree, but we aren’t repealing regulations based on that policy.
With that I’m done here.
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