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Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:09 am to Bass Tiger
First, someone who is bashing DeSantis and a fully committed Trump loyalist probably can't moderate this conversation credibly. As shown in your subsequent comments in the thread.
I also object to the idea that Trump isn't increasingly part of the uniparty. He hires them, is advised by them, allies with them and is currently trying to tailor his pitch to them.
But to answer the question - I think Trump discovered that he could break all the rules of decorum and conventional wisdom and people would respond to that. And I think the establishment (at least previously) discovered that the normal way they defeat someone like that - scandal, political correctness, etc. - only made it worse for them. Their attempts to use racism, sexism, etc. failed. And that infuriated and perplexed his opponents and left them looking for more tools to add to their arsenal.
In other words, it all comes down to "he can't keep getting away with it!"
I also object to the idea that Trump isn't increasingly part of the uniparty. He hires them, is advised by them, allies with them and is currently trying to tailor his pitch to them.
But to answer the question - I think Trump discovered that he could break all the rules of decorum and conventional wisdom and people would respond to that. And I think the establishment (at least previously) discovered that the normal way they defeat someone like that - scandal, political correctness, etc. - only made it worse for them. Their attempts to use racism, sexism, etc. failed. And that infuriated and perplexed his opponents and left them looking for more tools to add to their arsenal.
In other words, it all comes down to "he can't keep getting away with it!"
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:13 am to FlyTheW08
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I see a lot of disagreements on personality but not a whole lot of knocks on his policy
Unfortunately a lot of people and very educated people value personality over policy.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its a classic case of a personality cult and objectively so..
So when you hear "Big Dick Ron", you believe they can vouch for it personally?
All leaders are made into something that they're not. Trump at least has a lifetime resume of being an alpha among alphas among alphas.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:14 am to GumboPot
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Unfortunately a lot of people and very educated people value personality over policy.
I prefer money in my pocket and someone strong on foreign policy. I kind of want an a-hole in that role.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:15 am to FlyTheW08
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I see a lot of disagreements on personality but not a whole lot of knocks on his policy ITT.
That is because you just got here. These discussions have been had on this board for months.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:18 am
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:16 am to frogtown
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That is because you just got here.
In this thread? I have been here the whole time. I have learned that you have very little skill in the ways of reading comprehension.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:17 am to FlyTheW08
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I see a lot of disagreements on personality but not a whole lot of knocks on his policy ITT.
It depends on what you mean by policy.
His policy regarding De-regulation, immigration policy was great.
The problem was he used Executive Power to get these things done, making them Vapor Policy. He almost exclusively used Agency rules, and EO. It got a lot of things done fast, that ALL evaporated the second he became ex-President.
Since he can only serve 1 term, that will be the case again.
His policy regarding attempting to get legislation passed was pathetic. He didn't get any signature legislation rammed through because that shite is hard. He really didn't even try.
I want someone that is going to do what Obama did: Get things done that fundamentally transform this country...but from the Right. We are still feeling what Obama did, but Trump's achievements are all gone.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:18 am
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:17 am to Pettifogger
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I also object to the idea that Trump isn't increasingly part of the uniparty. He hires them, is advised by them, allies with them and is currently trying to tailor his pitch to them.
What is Trump's position on the border? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on trade? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on Ukraine? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on energy independence? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on taxes? Does it align with the uniparty?
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:18 am to FlyTheW08
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In this thread?
On this board.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:19 am to frogtown
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On this board.
I've been here longer than you. Don't believe everything you see on the internet. I saw As the Plains Burn in real time.
(as a lurker of course).
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:20 am to Bass Tiger
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Why does the DC Uniparty and particularly the Dim/Groomer and never Trump factions of the Uniparty want to destroy Trump?
Because he is an outlier. He can prove their model doesn't work by just EXISTING within theirs. He was able to accomplish an absolute mountain of progress with both sides working against him. He illustrates what happens when a man is not owned while in office. He exposes their lies and corruptions.
He is their antithesis. He is oil and water to them.
And while we've been force fed their snake oil our whole lives, how refreshing is it to have a glass of water?
Many people still don't realize water was good for them. They want to stay in their oil cocoon. If I may continue to use that analogy.
So they have to fully assault his character and make EVERYONE believe it. These people... the people that have sold out our country to communists and foreign interests like globalist agendas etc... these people that have committed murder, rigged elections, and fed us big pharma to lull ourselves back to sleep... these people that commit all KINDS of atrocities. THEY are the ones making US believe how "bad" Trump is.
They haven't made a single thing stick yet.
He is bombastic. He is childish often. He is many things. He has many weaknesses. But that guy loves his country, and he's fighting for it. He wants it back. He wants America to be #1.
And they absolutely despite that he's waking people up.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:21 am to FlyTheW08
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Why are you so deeply invested in the comment of Trump politicking against Abrams and Kemp in 1 comment? Do you work for Kemp? It is obvious he isn't a fan of either of them.
Trump is only a fan of those he believes exude loyalty to him.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:22 am to Bass Tiger
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Let’s have an adult conversation about Donald J Trump
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Trump is only a fan of those he believes exude loyalty to him.
After all he's been through, I don't blame him ONE bit for loyalty being #1. Loyalty means unity.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:23 am to DotBling
quote:So, like everyone else?
unlike no other
Or did you mean "unlike any other"
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:24 am to m2pro
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After all he's been through, I don't blame him ONE bit for loyalty being #1. Loyalty means unity.
Especially when the party that voted him into office had members that turned their back on him at every turn.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:26 am to Bass Tiger
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This personally cult is something you’ve built in your mind, you’re struggling with it too.
100% right.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:26 am to GumboPot
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What is Trump's position on the border? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on trade? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on Ukraine? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on energy independence? Does it align with the uniparty?
What is Trump's position on taxes? Does it align with the uniparty?
Trump isn't an outlier from GOPe on energy independence or taxes. I don't think those are particularly compelling. He's got a run of the mill R position.
Do you want account for Fauci, Bolton, Graham, etc. For caving on gun rights, failing to stop COVID overreach? For marketing with Soros talking points? For a standard Democrat position on SS/MC (which you've acknowledged)?
The record is mixed. He's a maverick in conduct and behavior primarily, policy is a distant second. You can make a substantive case for foreign policy and trade, everything else is quite iffy. If he wins and Ukraine is ongoing, I'll be very interested to see if he lives up to his rhetoric there. I think he might, but obviously his laughable flip flop on Syria looms large.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its a classic case of a personality cult and objectively so..
Yeah, I don't understand the objections to this. It clearly exists, and even frequently uses messianic language. I don't think all people who prefer Trump are members, but someone who questions the mere existence of the personality cult probably is.
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