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re: Let's talk about military spending
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:47 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:47 am to Wolfhound45
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No, it is bothersome that you are such a moron and yet somehow were actually commissioned. The fact you want to be acquainted with goldenugget and Ghazi does not bother me in the least bit.
I share in common with Goldennugget and Ghazi an abhorrence of the losses the US has suffered carrying out the agenda of the Jewish State. Israel is committing slow motion suicide and good riddance.
I think that is why I am being blasted just generally.
Whatshisname said on this thread that the Army should be moved into the reserves -- with no qualification as to staff cadres or anything like that.
All I did was point out that there was no way reservists could carry out an operation like OVERLORD.
That seems pretty reasonable to me.
Much stupidity and ignorance ensued, but not by me.
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:52 am to WhiskeyPapa
This thread is now 15 pages of debate on something that is never going to happen or even be considered -- moving the Army and Air Force into some sort of reserve status.
Although I do agree that the Navy/Marine Corps team could handle our overseas operations. We need to seriously draw in our horns since the country is basically falling apart physically and morally for the sake of Israel and the Military Industrial Complex/Deep State.
Although I do agree that the Navy/Marine Corps team could handle our overseas operations. We need to seriously draw in our horns since the country is basically falling apart physically and morally for the sake of Israel and the Military Industrial Complex/Deep State.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:02 am to WhiskeyPapa
I couldn't have said it better. The US is being cucked by israel. God will protect them it shouldn't be the US. The biggest issue is the military has really become a group of mercenaries for the corporations that value other nation's resources. There's more war in store because it brings profit.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:15 am to WhiskeyPapa
One sad sister said I should could consider TORCH to see how US policy or operations - I forget which - had evolved.
But - the Brits had already been planning what became OVERLORD for over two years by 11/8/42.
Ignorance is sort of a deterrent when you address issues like this.
We did TORCH because FDR insisted we do TORCH. He wanted to get the Army in contact with the Germans, which operation the Army promptly made a hash of.
General Marshall wanted to do SLEDGEHAMMER or ROUNDUP, which none of you probably ever heard of.
The Brits were aghast and flatly refused.
But - the Brits had already been planning what became OVERLORD for over two years by 11/8/42.
Ignorance is sort of a deterrent when you address issues like this.
We did TORCH because FDR insisted we do TORCH. He wanted to get the Army in contact with the Germans, which operation the Army promptly made a hash of.
General Marshall wanted to do SLEDGEHAMMER or ROUNDUP, which none of you probably ever heard of.
The Brits were aghast and flatly refused.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 5:36 am
Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:54 am to WhiskeyPapa
Well done. Your stupidity is now equaling your bravado. Quite the accomplishment.
And you have gained another ally, TJGator1215. You are gathering quite a crew.
And you have gained another ally, TJGator1215. You are gathering quite a crew.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 7:44 am
Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:58 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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We need to back away from being the sword defenders of Europe and the Western Pacific.
I totally agree. But that means Europe needs an army, and Germany and France get to fight over who will lead it. Sounds fun.
Oh, and that also means that the dissolution of the EU would be a colossal disaster for US strategic interests. Not sure many people on this board grasp that concept.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 6:12 am to Wolfhound45
It is hard to be humble when idiots like you enter the lists.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 6:42 am to WhiskeyPapa
It took you all night to research, copy and paste common knowledge that I covered in a one paragraph post three pages before. And you call someone else an idiot?
You are out of your depth. You spout topics that you have no direct knowledge or experience in. You sit there as an amateur trying to explain to professionals how operational and strategic concepts are developed and implemented. GT23 offered a paradigm shift that was re-focused on an isolationist philosophy that was actually used by our country for over 150 years. All found in the basis of the Constitution (Article 1, Section 8). A small, limited Army and a strong, well maintained Navy.
Rather than trying to add to the conversation you come in with your babbling drivel and derail the discussion. You are a moron and an obstructionist that adds no value. Congratulations.
You are out of your depth. You spout topics that you have no direct knowledge or experience in. You sit there as an amateur trying to explain to professionals how operational and strategic concepts are developed and implemented. GT23 offered a paradigm shift that was re-focused on an isolationist philosophy that was actually used by our country for over 150 years. All found in the basis of the Constitution (Article 1, Section 8). A small, limited Army and a strong, well maintained Navy.
Rather than trying to add to the conversation you come in with your babbling drivel and derail the discussion. You are a moron and an obstructionist that adds no value. Congratulations.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 6:44 am
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:17 am to TxTiger82
quote:Oh I grasp that concept. I just think that our current national strategic interests aren't necessarily in our best strategic interests if you catch my drift.
Oh, and that also means that the dissolution of the EU would be a colossal disaster for US strategic interests. Not sure many people on this board grasp that concept.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:21 am to Iosh
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Don't forget Afghanistan!
To be fair - Afghanistan started it. Since we didn't have the political will to go Ike on them (which would have been extremely inexpensive and sent the exact right message at precisely the right time in our history) - we have what we have.
It's the "how" we do things, not what we do in most cases that screw us up.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:23 am to WhiskeyPapa
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I share in common with Goldennugget and Ghazi an abhorrence of the losses the US has suffered carrying out the agenda of the Jewish State. Israel is committing slow motion suicide and good riddance.
I think that is why I am being blasted just generally.
Dude, I couldn't give two fricks about your stance on Israel. I just think you're a retard.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:You have a way with words
GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:52 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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A strong Navy and Marine Corps with a proper budget would more than handle business.
This is the problem with the Department of the Navy branches (USN and USMC) - the traditions are pretty strong (relative to the Army and Air Force) - couple that with the self-confidence they instill in marines and you get an inflated sense of what IS and what IS NOT possible with this structure.
We will not have years and years to get ready for a major conflict. There is no more Fort Sumter in April 1861 and finally turning the tide in summer 1863. There will be no more Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and you have until 1943 or 1944 to get your shite together - conflicts are resolved in weeks or months - if they go longer than that - you lose because the American people are, collectively, an 8-year old child when it comes to nuance, persistence and understanding the realities of the world.
So, you have to go to war with the military you have, not the military you would like to have - Rummy was 100% spot on with that.
I still think GT23's proposal has a Constitutional basis - obviously the original Constitution did not contemplate a standing army, only a standing, regular navy - the founding fathers viewed standing armies as instruments of tyranny. Ignoring that wisdom is not without risk.
But, I think we're pretty barebones - Army and AF wise unless we significantly curtail international agreements, which is also GT23's point. I think even WP would agree to that overall goal - reducing entanglements would likely result in a smaller footprint (and a smaller defense budget) - unless of course the vacuum we create results in a major war. Our entire post-WWII strategy has been based on this fear - staying strong avoids the need for massive bloodletting and pain later. It has been expensive, but it's hard to argue against it's overall success to this point.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 7:54 am
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:56 am to Ace Midnight
And this is the heart of the argument. What degree of readiness do we need to have? How does that impact on our current alliances and entanglements?
Spot on.
Spot on.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:13 am to Ace Midnight
quote:I think there were other reasons too. Navies are much harder to raise than armies are. This holds true today as well, relatively at least. Also, having a large standing army only encourages us to enter into conflict.
the founding fathers viewed standing armies as instruments of tyranny. Ignoring that wisdom is not without risk.
quote:I think we can maintain this status quo for the most part with an extremely large and strong Navy and a properly trained and funded national guard component. I have some ideas on how we could make that work and lessen some of the risks of going to a primarily reserve component Force but that would be getting into the weeds I think.
Our entire post-WWII strategy has been based on this fear - staying strong avoids the need for massive bloodletting and pain later. It has been expensive, but it's hard to argue against it's overall success to this point.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:40 am to Wolfhound45
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It took you all night to research, copy and paste common knowledge that I covered in a one paragraph post three pages before. And you call someone else an idiot?
I was you know, sleeping. So don't sound like an idiot and you won't be likened to one.
I said something very reasonable and people jumped all over me, attributed things to me I didn't say and alleged I suggested things that I didn't suggest.
And I don't think it had anything to do with OVERLORD or this ludicrous idea of placing the Army and Air Force into a reserve status.
It is as if people are posting here to push a certain agenda that my ideas don't agree with.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Dude, I couldn't give two fricks about your stance on Israel. I just think you're a retard.
I haven't insulted you personally and I typically don't make a habit of that.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:44 am to WhiskeyPapa
Go against your online persona. Do something constructive. Contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way. Stop pretending you are more than you are. It gets tiresome.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:44 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I for one support doing away with the active duty Army and Air Force and having a large powerful Navy while pulling out of NATO completely and telling Japan and Korea best of luck
I was with you until here. What you're proposing is beyond insane and would within at most 20 years (probably sooner) result in World War III.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:47 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Youve called me and Wolfhound idiots like three times in this thread
I haven't insulted you personally and I typically don't make a habit of that.
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