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re: Let's talk about military spending
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:09 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:09 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:It was planned by career men but executed by school coaches, factory workers, draftees out high school, hell lawyers, docs, some criminals, and everyone else. The war in total, including in the Navy FWIW, was mostly staffed by citizen-servicemen.
Operation OVERLORD was not planned by militias.
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:10 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Just stop. You do not have a clue what you are talking about. None.
Go focus on your sea stories.
Go focus on your sea stories.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:11 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
Operation OVERLORD was not planned by militias.
You are literally a moron. I am just stunned. Research the Organized Reserve Corps and the Plattsburg Camp movement.
Well, what good would that do? The Brits did the bulk of the planning for OVERLORD. Which began not long after they were ejected from France in 1940.
Didn't you know that?
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:13 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Wait what?
The Brits did the bulk of the planning for OVERLORD. Which began not long after they were ejected from France in 1940.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:14 pm to Ace Midnight
You nailed it. This is an exercise in risk. GT23 is arguing we are staying too far to one end of the risk spectrum. Since the mid 1950s we are saying we cannot assume any risk and then involve our armed forces in all kinds of conflicts that have nothing to do with our national interests.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:17 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
Just stop. You do not have a clue what you are talking about. None.
That should be easy to demonstrate.
I take my lead from Patrick Henry.
"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided,
and that is the lamp of experience.
I know of no way of judging the future but by the past."
I mean really. OVERLORD is the -perfect- example because it remains the largest undertaking in human history.
And to think reservists could have done that is just crazy. Apparently you and others are startled by an actual appeal to the record.
"British planners reported to Prime Minister Winston Churchill on 4 October [1940] that even with the help of other Commonwealth countries and the United States, it would not be possible to regain a foothold in continental Europe in the near future."
LINK
See, the planning for OVERLORD started in 1940.
When you don't know the history it is really tough to make good judgments.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:17 pm to Wolfhound45
It also makes politicians lazy. Got a problem? Let the US military fix it.
To quote a certain Mr. Maslow, "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
To quote a certain Mr. Maslow, "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:18 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Dude, every post I read from you convinced me you are under the influence. The fact you believe the Brits began planning a return to the European continent in 1940 only reinforces that. Do you even understand the purpose of the North African, Sicilian and Italian campaigns? What was the position of Winston Churchill in that regard? Why?
Son of a bitch you are a dumb arse that doubles down on your own stupidity.
ETA: You literally derail decent discussions with your conspiracies and rambling stupidity. I would have to believe you were a decent Marine at one time. You are just a joke now.
Son of a bitch you are a dumb arse that doubles down on your own stupidity.
ETA: You literally derail decent discussions with your conspiracies and rambling stupidity. I would have to believe you were a decent Marine at one time. You are just a joke now.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:18 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Its the worst example I could possibly think of
mean really. OVERLORD is the -perfect- example because it remains the largest undertaking in human history.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:19 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:22 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
The Brits did the bulk of the planning for OVERLORD. Which began not long after they were ejected from France in 1940.
Wait what?
"British planners reported to Prime Minister Winston Churchill on 4 October [1940] that even with the help of other Commonwealth countries and the United States, it would not be possible to regain a foothold in continental Europe in the near future."
LINK
By 1943 planning was very advanced. Eisenhower had Montgomery go to England and review the planning. The planners posited a three division front. Monty had them expand the force to five assault divisions and a large airborne contingent.
"On 31 December 1943, Eisenhower and Montgomery first saw the COSSAC plan, which proposed amphibious landings by three divisions, with two more divisions in support. The two generals immediately insisted that the scale of the initial invasion be expanded to five divisions, with airborne descents by three additional divisions, to allow operations on a wider front and speed up the capture of the port at Cherbourg."
- same link.
Don't any of you know this?
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:23 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
It is not even a decent example. If he literally believes that Overlord was only planned by Regular Army officers he is beyond a moron. There is no helping him.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:24 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
mean really. OVERLORD is the -perfect- example because it remains the largest undertaking in human history.
Its the worst example I could possibly think of
What the frick. Why?
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:25 pm to Wolfhound45
He's using what is possibly the best example I could think of for having a capable reserve component with a small cadre of professionals and using it for the exact opposite. It's amazing really.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:25 pm to WhiskeyPapa
How does this post support your position? Damn dude, stop being that dumbass "copy and paste" dude and think this through.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:28 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
He is typical of active component officers who have no historical understanding of the profession. They simply accept what they see at the moment and never ask "Why are we doing this?"
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:29 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
Who is going to to deploy when their family has no health care?
If free health care for dependents is your only motivation to do your job, the military isn't for you. Don't deploy, and you can enjoy the health insurance Burger King provides along with a BCD. Problem solved.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:30 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Tell everyone how awesome Bill Clinton is. 
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:33 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
It is not even a decent example. If he literally believes that Overlord was only planned by Regular Army officers he is beyond a moron. There is no helping him.
HISTORY OF COSSAC
I. THE ORIGINS OF COSSAC
The great design for the return of Allied Forces to the Continent of EUROPE had its beginnings at DUNKIRK. From that time onwards, such a return became the ultimate goal of all whose responsibility it was to plan the military operations against GERMANY, but at first the dearth of men, of arms and of all the resources necessary for the prosecution of war made the study little more than an academic exercise. With the entry of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA into the conflict, however, the potentialities of the situation charged rapidly, and the planning of a detailed campaign came within the realm of practical policy."
LINK
So the planning for OVERLORD lasted FOUR -years-.
It surely involved reserve officers, but they did not have the lead in it. I didn't suggest OVERLORD was planned solely by regular officers but they had an indispensable role in it.
Ever hear of this guy?
Frederick E. Morgan
Lieutenant-General Sir Frederick Edgworth Morgan KCB (5 February 1894 – 19 March 1967) was a senior officer of the British Army who fought in both world wars. He is best known as the chief of staff to the Supreme Allied Commander (COSSAC), the original planner of Operation Overlord.
A graduate of the Royal Military Academy, Woolwich, Morgan was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the Royal Field Artillery in 1913. During the First World War he served on the Western Front as an artillery subaltern and staff officer. Afterwards he served two long tours with the British Army in India.
Shortly before the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939, Morgan was promoted to brigadier and assumed command of the 1st Support Group of the 1st Armoured Division, which he led during the Battle of France. In May 1942 he became a lieutenant-general and given command of I Corps. Morgan's headquarters was designated Force 125, and given the task of dealing with a German thrust through Spain to Gibraltar that never occurred. In March 1943 he was appointed chief of staff to the Supreme Allied Commander (Designate), or COSSAC. As COSSAC he directed the planning for Operation Overlord. When General Dwight Eisenhower became Supreme Allied Commander, Major General Bedell Smith became chief of staff at Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF), while Morgan became deputy chief of staff."
LINK
Not a reservist, as you can see.
Don't ya'll know -any- of this?
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:35 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Post pictures of random females to prove they should serve in combat.
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