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Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:22 am to Metaloctopus
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but never talk about the next 5 times we went there,
Nor the fact that there was another mission that couldn’t land (13), nor the two planned non-landing missions (8 and 10), nor the in-orbit tests (7 and 9).
Why fake all of that?
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:24 am to NC_Tigah
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If we had not landed on the moon, the Soviet's would have had a field day laughing off the claim. That is the point.
yeah - these are really dim-witted people with a yen for something to feel important about.
no sensible person could actually believe it - they are obviously just trying to stir up shite in the only way they know how.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:28 am to Wally Sparks
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Nor the fact that there was another mission that couldn’t land (13), nor the two planned non-landing missions (8 and 10), nor the in-orbit tests (7 and 9).
Why fake all of that?
Yeah, they of course leave out all of the test flights, and assorted missions that led up to this supposed conspiracy, and act like we just up and decided one day to fly a toaster to the moon.
I got into with a family member the other day about this stuff. Someone who I know is smart enough to know better, but she distrusts the government so much that she apparently just assumes the conspiracy theories are true without listening to the counter arguments. I don't trust the government, either, but that doesn't mean every project they've ever funded was a lie.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 8:30 am
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:28 am to Metaloctopus
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This guy just sees something that he doesn't know how to explain, and claims it's evidence of a hoax, but never does the work of researching any possible explanations for what he sees. Because he doesn't want an explanation. He has staked his reputation on one narrative, and has shown zero interest in displaying any intellectual honesty, or journalistic integrity.
Yeah - it is too tiresome to even respond to some of these 'flat-earth' equivalent 'beliefs' - I firmly believe they are just doing it to have a reason to feel important for a moment or so.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:30 am to ChineseBandit58
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no sensible person could actually believe it
Is it okay for a "sensible person" to question what we are told, (or not told), by our government?
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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She’s ignorant about many things.
She's gone bat-dung crazy over about the last year.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:32 am to Metaloctopus
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I don't trust the government, either, but that doesn't mean every project they've ever funded was a lie.
People just want to believe that we can’t do anything as a species.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:33 am to ChineseBandit58
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Yeah - it is too tiresome to even respond to some of these 'flat-earth' equivalent 'beliefs' - I firmly believe they are just doing it to have a reason to feel important for a moment or so.
I think you are exactly right. And to make money. People eat up conspiracy topics.
And I've read your posts in this thread. I appreciate the work that you and those like you did. I've loved learning about the old space program since I was a little kid.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:34 am to Metaloctopus
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she distrusts the government so much that she just assumed the conspiracy theories are true without listening to the counter arguments
Now this is a take I haven't considered yet. Thanks for the input.
A lot of people have grown up with the moon missions a distant memory of their parents and have never seen anything real as it was happening. I suspect our education system has little time for that either.
Young folks may need a little compassion and should be given a brief history lesson and explanation of whatever technical questions they may have. I may be wrongly thinking everyone has had the same exposure to real time experience as I have had the opportunity for.
But you can usually distinguish honest curiosity from outlandish 'conspiracy' issues. That's how I got embroiled in this thread in the first place.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:36 am to LookSquirrel
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Is it okay for a "sensible person" to question what we are told
depends entirely on the question.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:39 am to Metaloctopus
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If anyone was qualified to recognize a fraud, it would have been the Russians, and you can rest fully assured that they would have been the first one's to call us out if they thought they had any chance of proving it. But they knew better, because they had real scientists, just like we had, and the things that people try to call into question in the conspiracy circles were not difficult for them to understand and explain.
They've never sent a man to the moon ever. You would think they would have at some point.
Take one look at the lunar module. No man went to the moon or left the moon in that thing.
If you just did the unthinkable, the impossible even, and I interview you, are you going to be excited or feel dead inside? The 2 astroNots felt dead.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:47 am to ChineseBandit58
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A lot of people have grown up with the moon missions a distant memory of their parents and have never seen anything real as it was happening. I suspect our education system has little time for that either.
I'm not terribly young anymore, but just young enough (late thirties) to be in the age group with many of those who don't believe in the moon landings. And what you said about the education system having little time for it is what I find to be a persistent issue with people my age and younger, about many things. Not just the moon landings. There is a serious deficit of historical context in our schools. I was home schooled and brought up with the mind set that if I wanted to know something, or to understand something better, I should make the effort to look into it myself, because I wasn't likely to get reliable information from contemporary sources.
This has always been my reality in the world I've grown up in. For older generations, I think there was a bit more integrity in the education system (though it was never perfect for anyone).
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:50 am to Metaloctopus
It goes with knocking down statues and renaming things away from historical facts.
You strip away history villians and heroes to remold the masses to your bidding.
You strip away history villians and heroes to remold the masses to your bidding.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:53 am to saintsfan1977
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They've never sent a man to the moon ever. You would think they would have at some point.
We beat them there. They didn't have much incentive after that, and likely had nowhere near the funding that we had.
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Take one look at the lunar module. No man went to the moon or left the moon in that thing
I have taken many looks at it. There is no reason in the world why they couldn't do it. All it had to do was land and take off. You do realize that, right?
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If you just did the unthinkable, the impossible even, and I interview you, are you going to be excited or feel dead inside? The 2 astroNots felt dead.
I don't know what this means.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:01 am to Metaloctopus
It means after after 6 days in a vw bus, pressurized, cramped, traveling 20,000 mph, entering earth's atmosphere as a fireball, splashing in the middle of the ocean, wenched up into a helicopter and flown back to a aircraft carrier, no bath or decent food for a week that they didn't interview well!
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:02 am to saintsfan1977
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They've never sent a man to the moon ever.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:10 am to Metaloctopus
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We beat them there. They didn't have much incentive after that, and likely had nowhere near the funding that we had.
We researched enough that for 60 years we haven't returned and now all of a sudden we need to get back. Biggest load of BS.
Russia has never sent a man to the moon ever. Not before us or afterwards with way more advanced tech than we had.
Why haven't they gone to explore it themselves? Anyone for that matter.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:12 am to goatmilker
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It means after after 6 days in a vw bus, pressurized, cramped, traveling 20,000 mph, entering earth's atmosphere as a fireball, splashing in the middle of the ocean, wenched up into a helicopter and flown back to a aircraft carrier, no bath or decent food for a week that they didn't interview well!
I couldn't decipher what 2 astronauts he was talking about, or what specific event. It read like a riddle. I wanted to believe we were still talking about the moon landing, but he was talking about Russians, and then threw out a question/statement about 2 guys being dead.
But yeah, I guess he wanted them to giggle like little boys over it. I would imagine the amount of time they spent in space after first walking on the moon was plenty of time to get over the initial exuberance, and as you alluded to, they were likely pooped by the time they got back.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:33 am to saintsfan1977
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We researched enough that for 60 years we haven't returned and now all of a sudden we need to get back. Biggest load of BS.
I already addressed this way earlier. We went 6 times. Not once... SIX times. What else would you have liked for them to study? Now they want to go back. Gee, I wonder if it's possible that we've come up with more advanced tools for research in the last 50 years? And haven't they talked about trying to make a space station there? Why yes, yes they have. An entirely different objective, rather than repeating an old one. Imagine that?
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Russia has never sent a man to the moon ever. Not before us or afterwards with way more advanced tech than we had.
Way more advanced tech? There was nothing they ever did, that we couldn't do. It's true that they beat us as the first into space, but they wholly invested into their space program. It took the US a little while to catch up initially, but they certainly got there before we ever put a man on the moon. And, yet again, the Russians, with all of their knowledge of spaceflight, never once accused us of a hoax.
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Why haven't they gone to explore it themselves? Anyone for that matter.
Because people, as a general rule, like to explore the unknown. And when someone has already done the work, explored the area, and collected data, there isn't much interest in conducting your own "exploration" except for fun. But going to the moon isn't something you just do for an adventure, if there is no clear objective. The main objective of the space race was to be the first. We went back and did further experimenting, and sure, Russia could have tried to go there to do their own experiments, but it's clear that they just weren't interested after they lost the race to the moon.
These days, Russia and the United States work together in space quite a bit. It's not really a competition anymore.
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