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re: Madison, sedition, and the federal courts

Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:56 am to
Posted by jerep
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:56 am to
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Is this from a book you’re reading? If so, I’d love to acquire it.


This is from a collection of Madison's writings in several volumes. I don't have any of them as actual books, but you can find the reference and a copy in various formats at

Madison writings

The organization of the foot notes isn't very good, but the nice thing about the collection is that it's the original material. The report begins on page 187. You could probably also find this report elsewhere.



For the benefit of anyone else that might be reading this and who might be interested but hasn't read a lot of the original sources, this probably isn't the best place to start since Madison was writing for an audience very familiar with things that had been going on for the 15 or so years prior to 1798.

A more general place to start is, "Patriots, The Men Who Started the American Revolution" by A.J. Langguth. This is an excellent book, not at all dumbed down or politically slanted, and an easy interesting read.

For those who want to really understand what the founders were thinking in the time leading to the Constitutional Convention and just after I would recommend, "The Anti-Federalist Papers and the Constitutional Convention Debates" by Ralph Ketcham, and "The Anti-federalists Critics of the Constitution 1781 - 1788" by Jackson Turner Main. These are somewhat harder reads than Langguth's book, but well worth it if you want to learn what our Founders understood. Ketcham's book contains a lot of speeches and letters published in news papers. Comparing the intellectual level of the debate at that time to what we have today would make me embarassed to even talk to our Founders. Compare one of Patrick Henry's speeches to the tripe that comes from what like to call themselves "public servants" now days.

The questions these books raise will then lead to looking at the original letters between various men of the founding generation and other documents such as quoted in the OP.

But if you are already familiar with federalists vs the anti-federalists, (both were false political labels), the federalists vs the republicans, the fight over the bank bill between Hamilton on one side, Jefferson and Randolf on the other, the political background leading to the Alien and Sedition acts, etc., then you might want to start with both the Kentucky and Virginia resolves first. The Virginia resolves are in the same collection at page 178. One place to find the Kentucky resolves is

Jefferson writings

Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 2:19 am to
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twenty million illegal immigrants





I love when this number is thrown out or the 11-12,000,000 number is used. It’s more at the 50-60 million range.
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:28 am to
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Trump did vast damage to the conservative movement. If it gets worse before he leaves, it may be irreparable.


No he didn’t EHL OH EHL!
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 7:15 am to
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Trump did vast damage to the conservative movement.


What a load of shite. 80 million Americans voted for Trump. Let that sink in.

The support for Trump by conservatives was huge.

The GOP was hurt by the establishment, the fascist propaganda media of the left, and the lying, dishonest, traitorous left who implemented wide spread fraud to win elections.

The congress just slammed through a fricking impeachment based on absolute lies and as time goes on is looking like a coordinated attack on the capitol. You would have to be a flaming idiot to believe otherwise.
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