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re: Montanans just legalized murder/infanticide
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:05 am to VADawg
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:05 am to VADawg
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And will continue to vote for democrats who run on extreme, far left positions.
This wasn't Democrats. The GOP cleaned house in Montana. As in, both reps and a supermajority in the state legislature.
This was Republicans voting down something that was almost entirely redundant.
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:18 am to LNCHBOX
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Not sure what point you're trying to make there.
I think this law sucks, let me make that perfectly clear.
But you accused him of making a bad analogy in the form of a question while you did the exact same thing.
Unless you think "killing [their] children at anytime for any reason they see fit" doesn't imply that people are voting in favor of murdering their 5 year olds for not learning the alphabet quickly enough.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:18 am to IAmNERD
Here is detail on wording
LINK https://ballotpedia.org/Montana_LR-131,_Medical_Care_Requirements_for_Born-Alive_Infants_Measure_(2022)
More from Montana Free Press
LINK https://montanafreepress.org/2022/11/09/
LINK https://ballotpedia.org/Montana_LR-131,_Medical_Care_Requirements_for_Born-Alive_Infants_Measure_(2022)
More from Montana Free Press
LINK https://montanafreepress.org/2022/11/09/
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:24 am to AggieHank86
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It may well be. But that is not how the language is written. And the broader language is PROBABLY why the referendum failed. So, rather than hurling personal insults and mouthing generalities, what say you grow up and take a look at the actual language of the proposal?
You think medical personnel are worried about being accused of not providing care for normal infants born in hospitals not involved in abortions?
You are a joke
Just own what your party has become. Why are you crawfishing from it?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:27 am to Pepperoni
From your link:
quote:
medical experts who have organized against the referendum, including the Montana Medical Association, Montana Hospital Association, Montana Nurses Association and the state chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics, say it would criminalize health care providers who withhold resuscitative care to newborns with fatal conditions at the request of grieving parents.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:28 am to Midget Death Squad
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It was very confusing, and shite like that will receive a no vote from many.
So true. We had several amendments on the ballot in GA. We voted no on all of them because it was like reading biden's word salad.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:28 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:See preceding post.
You think medical personnel are worried about being accused of not providing care for normal infants born in hospitals not involved in abortions?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:29 am to TigersN_Beer
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while you did the exact same thing.
No I didn't.
quote:
Unless you think "killing [their] children at anytime for any reason they see fit" doesn't imply that people are voting in favor of murdering their 5 year olds for not learning the alphabet quickly enough.
Apparently you need to go back and read the post I responded to originally.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:30 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You think medical personnel are worried about being accused of not providing care for normal infants born in hospitals not involved in abortions?
Infanticide is already illegal here. What exactly is it that you think this law provides?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:30 am to AggieHank86
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say it would criminalize health care providers who withhold resuscitative care to newborns with fatal conditions at the request of grieving parents.
Yea that’s what the democrats are saying and the writers of the bill responded and said it’s bullshite under hospice laws.
Your side is trying to muddy the water because it wants to kill babies because they are inconvenient. Not because it has anything to do with reproductive rights of the mother.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:34 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Infanticide is already illegal here. What exactly is it that you think this law provides?
I couldn’t care less what it provides.
I think it’s a barometer that reveals the pro abortion coalitions true motives.
They talk about reproductive rights and the rights of the mother, but the primary concern is not having to take care of the baby they created. It’s weird that they just won’t own that.
“I want to be able to terminate the baby because it will get in the way of what I want to do”
That’s their real platform. My body my choice reproductive shite is a fancy package that is supposed to sound better.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:36 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:And apparently some of the voters accepted it.
say it would criminalize health care providers who withhold resuscitative care to newborns with fatal conditions at the request of grieving parents.quote:
Yea that’s what the democrats are saying
Look, the question was “Why would this proposal fail in a Red state?”
This is why. Not sure why you feel that personal insults add anything to the discussion.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:36 am to WaWaWeeWa
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I couldn’t care less what it provides.
I think it’s a barometer that reveals the pro abortion coalitions true motives.
Sure, but you only think that because you're uninformed.
This was voted down because it was idiotic and unnecessary.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:39 am to BuckyCheese
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You holy rollers are killing the republican party.
Look. I am not all the way prolife like some on here.
But THIS particular thing is insane.
Anything beyond the 2nd trimester is pure insanity and sick.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:41 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Infanticide is already illegal here. What exactly is it that you think this law provides?
That's what I'm trying to figure out. Have read several stories on it now and all it seems to do is criminalize doctors that don't go to heroic lengths to save a baby that is not possible to be saved.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
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Anything beyond the 2nd trimester is pure insanity and sick.
I agree.
This law does not permit infanticide from what I can make of it.
Infanticide is already illegal in Montana.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:44 am to BuckyCheese
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That's what I'm trying to figure out. Have read several stories on it now and all it seems to do is criminalize doctors that don't go to heroic lengths to save a baby that is not possible to be saved.
That's correct, and likely why it was voted down.
If OP had a shred of credibility, he'd edit the title and first post.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:49 am to AggieHank86
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This is why. Not sure why you feel that personal insults add anything to the discussion.
Should you be able to abort a pregnancy at any point because it is inconvenient to the mother?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:51 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:1. No.
Should you be able to abort a pregnancy at any point because it is inconvenient to the mother?
2. How the Hell is this question relevant to this thread?
3. No, I am not going to AGAIN rehash the nuances of abortion rights for you.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:52 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:Agree.
The problem with this one was the wording of the measure. It was very confusing, and shite like that will receive a no vote from many. Plus most people have an initial reaction to vote no on any new measures unless something about it is compelling enough to vote yes.
quote:That's fricking retarded.
This is on whoever wrote this stupid law, not the voters.
Two things can be true at once. This ghastly law being passed is on both the legislators that wrote it and the morons too dumb to know what they're voting for.
Elections have consequences.
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