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re: OK. A little education on security clearances
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:49 pm to BayouBlitz
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:49 pm to BayouBlitz
SIAP. TS background checks have to be renewed every 5 years.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:50 pm to BayouBlitz
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For example, if I was a contractor and I was contracted to perform demolition at a Department of State embassy, I would have to have a Security Clearance
We're talking about the highest level of Government officials here...who no longer work for the Government (Cough, Cough, head of CIA), yet go on CNN and blab negative stuff about the president, then whine about having security clearance removed.
If you need security clearance to get in a building, then get your own clearance on your own dime. BRING YOUR ID, AND DON'T WHINE ABOUT YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS EITHER. :)
In my mind, these TOP BRASS like Brennan or Clapper have access to server access, top secret stuff, they have no business looking at anymore.
When you'r out of government, you're out!
This should be policy, not some stupid political argument debated on CNN
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You don't forfeit your clearance when you leave a job.
In the real world you turn in your badges, keys, parking passes, and IT kills your log in profiles...
Follow common sense...there you will find the correct answers.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:56 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Unfortunately these retards believe that having the clearance means you can walk right into any federal building that you want and access any documents you want.
As if John Brennan was still going to the NSA and looking over intercepts daily or something.
My understanding is that people like Brennan have been retaining access. He may not have gotten access but formally he was still read in. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any discussion of him (or others) being able to assist the newcomers. If they aren't still read in, then they can't go talk to the new team.
So, the big problem here is that when you have people that are unhinged lunatics like Brennan - that have active clearances and remain read-in - they can get through the gate, they can sit down and talk, they can see raw intell, and so on.
This Brennan issue goes beyond the simple mechanics of clearances.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:06 pm to starsandstripes
Why does any former Government employee still need access to Federal Government (Fill in the blank____________) that can only be had by top security clearances ?
If your answer is "to get a building that requires these clearance"
Give me a break...if you're that special, text your way in to the building...
When you no longer draw a check from the Tax payers, then get out!!!
If your answer is "to get a building that requires these clearance"
Give me a break...if you're that special, text your way in to the building...
When you no longer draw a check from the Tax payers, then get out!!!
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:25 pm to BayouBlitz
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So please, enough with the "Everyone should have their clearance taken when they leave their job".
That is ignorant, and not how the system works at all.
Actually, in many cases it does. When I retire from the military, even though I will still have 4 years of eligibility left on my TS, it will automatically expire. While not a "revocation" per se, the expiration date accelerates due to my no longer being an active duty officer in a position requiring a TS.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:28 pm to Vecchio Cane
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No one has given a single reason as to why John Brennan should still have his clearance.
Because the taxpayers spent a lot of money checking his background and suitability, there was nothing found to disqualify him, and that information hasn't become stale yet by the standards believed to provide efficiency in the system.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:30 pm to Taxing Authority
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They are supposed to keep secret info... you know secret.
It's really not a secret that Trump's a dangerous idiot.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:34 pm to tokenBoiler
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It's really not a secret that Trump's a dangerous idiot.
No secret you're a complete moron.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:36 pm to musick
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So if you finished your contracting job at a "secure facility" you still retain access to that "secure facility" when you no longer have business there?
No. You aren't paying attention at all. You are still considered trustworthy enough to be given access again, if necessary, without a long investigation.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:37 pm to BayouBlitz
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A little education
You’ve lost the poliboard
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:38 pm to ApexTiger
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yet go on CNN and blab negative stuff about the president,
Why do you believe this is a breach of security?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 6:10 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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As if John Brennan was still going to the NSA and looking over intercepts daily or something.
So he is losing his mind and threatening to sue over losing something he wasn't using to his benefit?
What's the punishment for disclosing classified information to someone with TS clearance, or receiving classified information when you have TS clearance?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 6:45 pm to BayouBlitz
You are correct. Shockingly I've even seen a few of the former military get this wrong.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:37 pm to BayouBlitz
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A ton of private companies do a ton of work for the DOD. Good paying jobs. Handicap them and watch the economy drop.
What a f'd up economic system.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:24 pm to imjustafatkid
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I have no problem with people getting clearances back if they need them for their jobs, but they should lose them when they leave their jobs.
No, the OP is completely right. A clearance simply means you've passed a background check and people have vouched for you. But it doesn't mean anything more than that. It is not job-dependent at all, so why should they lose it when leaving a job that requires one?
For example, I have a Secret clearance because my work for an agency requires one (yes, this is true irl). If I decide to go work somewhere else there's no reason I can't say "Hey, I've already passed all the checks and investigation" to my new employer because it's true.
This is a key point I think you're missing - if I leave my current job, the fact that I have a clearance does not entitle me to stay informed after I leave. That's the "need to know" concept.
And yes, I absolutely tell women on Tinder that I have a clearance, and show them the badge to prove it. They like knowing I don't have a criminal record, my finances are in order, I've never been to rehab, etc.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:29 pm to ApexTiger
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In my mind, these TOP BRASS like Brennan or Clapper have access to server access, top secret stuff, they have no business looking at anymore.
OP is right, you still have to pass the "need to know" test before you get access.
You could have Top Secret SCI clearance from a job when you were working with nuclear weapons design and sexual relations with aliens in Area 51, but if you leave that job you lose the access - no matter what your clearance level.
But you keep the clearance because it shows you passed the investigation.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:36 pm to foshizzle
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You could have Top Secret SCI clearance from a job when you were working with nuclear weapons design and sexual relations with aliens in Area 51, but if you leave that job you lose the access - no matter what your clearance level.
But you keep the clearance because it shows you passed the investigation.
Don't forget the non-disclosure agreement you are required to sign that is legally binding for 25 years when you receive the clearance, when your clearance is renewed, when you are read on and when you are read off.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:07 pm to BayouBlitz
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They are never revoked, unless the holder breaks the rules of maintaining a clearance.
Anyone that has held a clearance knows that you cannot do what Brennan did and expect to hold your clearance. If you are seen as a threat to your country then you will lose your clearance.
The fact that he lied under oath to Congress should have terminated it on the spot. In 2000 fricking 14 under Obama.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:19 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Don't forget the non-disclosure agreement you are required to sign that is legally binding for 25 years when you receive the clearance
Non-disclosure agreement about what specifically?
I'm not allowed to talk about information that was specifically classified. But I can talk all I want about anything else and so can Brennan.
If I had proof that Trump (or Obama or anyone else) took it up the arse with a golden shower from a Russian transgender prostitute, then unless someone took the extra step to classify that there is no violation.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:30 pm to imjustafatkid
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I have no problem with people getting clearances back if they need them for their jobs, but they should lose them when they leave their jobs.
You so clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It's not like anyone with a security clearance can just waltz in to any government agency and start rifling through classified documents.
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