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re: O'Keefe uncovers voter fraud....20 times in NC
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:50 pm to germandawg
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:50 pm to germandawg
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Yes, I think it would take a monumental effort to convince 350 people to commit a crime and not a single one of the get caught or spill the beans.
Some dude who just felt like it was able to do it 20 times on a whim.
quote:Actually, I'm relatively uninformed on it and pretty much only know the story by anecdote.
If you believe the story of voter fraud in Chicago in 1960, and I assume most of you do,
quote:So, because ID wouldn't have stopped a particular type of fraud, we shouldn't use it thereby making another type of fraud borderline simple? Interesting.
Requiring a state issued ID would not have fixed the problem
quote:Well. Um. How exactly would you catch a person who is allowed to vote without ID for voting multiple times? Guess?
WHat would make you think I am suggesting we don't look for voter fraud???
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Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:03 pm to Jbird
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How is it harder for a legal voter to vote?
An extra requirement....you will have to produce an ID...you will have to remember to have said id with you...are you suggesting that this will make it easier or have no impact on voting. It is an extra step....not a huge one...but it is an extra one...and there is no way to deny that.
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Do you know any brain damaged people in your life without a form of ID?
No, I don't. I also do not know any lesbian millionaires but I suspect they exist....are you suggesting that the only people who do not have an ID are not brain damaged? If so then that is even more reason to let them vote...if they aren't brain damaged they should be voting.
I know you meant do I know anyone who isnt brain damaged who does not have an id, and the answer again is no...but I do suspect they exist and I do know that for someone who doesn't have one it is a pain in the arse to get one...it involves dealing with a government employee and I know yall will agree that this is usually frustrating at best. Are you suggesting that it is not somewhat difficult to get an ID? Have you ever lost your wallet....it is a pain in the arse.
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....but it will undeniably mean one more step for most voters...producing an id at the poll....and an second extra step for anyone who does not have said id.
Jesus frick are you serious? Again name one fricking idiot in your world that doesn't have a form of ID.
Yes, I am serious...you dont have to produce an id to vote now...if voter id laws are passed you will....that is another step. If you dont have said id, for whatever reason, you will have to get one. That is another small step. there is no debating that voter id laws will make voting easier or have 0 impact on the level of effort required to cast a ballot. If you can show me how I am wrong I am open to listening, but I seriously doubt you can.
But you know what, here is one way...fewer people may be inclined to vote since they dont have an id or it is too much effort to reach into their back pocket. This will mean that the lines to vote will be shorter and those of us bent on voting will have an easier time of it. There....that is an argument that ya'll can sale that is probably supportable by real numbers that mean something. God it is bad when I have to make your point for you....
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:08 pm to germandawg
Ok you have to be trolling. 
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:09 pm to germandawg
quote:This is a problem to you? Good lord.
An extra requirement....you will have to produce an ID...you will have to remember to have said id with you.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:14 pm to ShortyRob
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Yes, I think it would take a monumental effort to convince 350 people to commit a crime and not a single one of the get caught or spill the beans.
Some dude who just felt like it was able to do it 20 times on a whim.
One person commiting a crime is pretty easy to hide....350 of them doing it independent of one another is less so....350 of them doing it in a concerted effort makes the odds of catching them much easier. I know that none of you on the right have any experience with criminal activity (this is just one more reason why ya'll are simply to naive to be governing adults in the real world) but being a lefty commy I know for a fact that if you are going to do something wrong (break the law, have an affair...whatever) it is very important to keep the number of people who have knowledge of your plans and your actions as low as possible.
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So, because ID wouldn't have stopped a particular type of fraud, we shouldn't use it thereby making another type of fraud borderline simple? Interesting.
Why make the effort to make it difficult to commit a type of fraud that has no impact on elections while other forms of fraud that do impact elections go unaddressed? Requiring an id to vote will make it more difficult to cast a legal or an illegal ballot. I have no problem with that...my problem comes with yall pretending it has anything to do with curbing fraud that has no impact on elections and denying that it will make voting more difficult.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:17 pm to ShortyRob
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Well. Um. How exactly would you catch a person who is allowed to vote without ID for voting multiple times? Guess?
Pretty much...that is all you are going to do when they have to have an ID....your going to guess (assume) that the id is real and they are who they say they are. If it is possible for thousands of people to conspire to impact an election by voting 20 or more times and not get caught or sing like a canary it is also possible to provide the conspirators with 20 fake ID's....the number of people who are voting multiple times is minisucle....it is a meaningless number. The numbers speak for themselves....
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:25 pm to ShortyRob
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This is a problem to you? Good lord.
Not to me...voter ID laws won't apply to me because I vote an absentee ballot and have no requirement to prove who I am or who is casting my ballot....but if I were voting in person then yes having to produce an ID would be an additional step to what the requirements are now....a problem? I dont think so....but if you dont have the said id, or forget it when you get to the poll, then it is a problem.
I do have a question though...if it is not any problem to get an authentic state issued ID that would allow a person to vote in a ID state what measures are there in place to make certain the person doesnt get multiple ID's. Yall seem to be of the opinion that it is a very easy thing to do...so it makes sense that it would be easy to do multiple times. I am assuming ya'll dont think a birth certificate is required and any type of proof of identity like a letter or a family bible entry will suffice. And of course it will be an incompetent government employee who is unemployable in the private sector who will approve or disaprove of the identity presented so surely yall dont think all of a sudden that these people wont be on the grift or simply too dumb to not be foiled by thousands of criminal masterminds bent on spending election day pretending be someone else
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:26 pm to Jbird
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Ok you have to be trolling.
Obviously...anytime someone has to think beyond a bumper sticker length time the person requiring said thought is either stupid, a commie or trolling....GOOD SHOW!!!
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:33 pm to germandawg
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voter ID laws won't apply to me because I vote an absentee ballot and have no requirement to prove who I am or who is casting my ballot.
When I used to vote absentee, I was required to show my ID to a notary, who verified the picture was me, and the signatures matched, before it was notarized and sent in. This is no longer required?
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:35 pm to germandawg
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Obviously...anytime someone has to think beyond a bumper sticker length time the person requiring said thought is either stupid, a commie or trolling....GOOD SHOW!!!
Didn't you call everyone that disagreed with you retarded just a while ago? Pot meet kettle I guess.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:35 pm to germandawg
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Obviously...anytime someone has to think beyond a bumper sticker length time the person requiring said thought is either stupid, a commie or trolling....GOOD SHOW!!!
Well to be fair you said someone would actually think "I have to withdraw something from my pocket to vote? Screw it I'm not going!"
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:36 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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When I used to vote absentee, I was required to show my ID to a notary, who verified the picture was me, and the signatures matched, before it was notarized and sent in. This is no longer required?
I remember doing that also...except in Georgia we had to have a signed and notarized affidavit to request an absentee ballot and then you had to have a reason. you voted the ballot and sent it back with another afidavit stating it was voted legally. We no longer have to do this...all we have to do is request an absentee ballot, vote it and send it back with an afidavit that it was voted legally.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:37 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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When I used to vote absentee, I was required to show my ID to a notary, who verified the picture was me, and the signatures matched, before it was notarized and sent in. This is no longer required?
As an expat it's not required. I just told the SOS that I was moving overseas and signed up to get ballots emailed to me now. I think I have to renew this in 2 years though.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:37 pm to germandawg
So you know nary a soul without an ID
But continue to argue there are some poor souls somewhere in the universe without one
Or it's too large a burden to remember said ID on the day you vote
You related to a fat arse named Spidey by chance?
But continue to argue there are some poor souls somewhere in the universe without one
Or it's too large a burden to remember said ID on the day you vote
You related to a fat arse named Spidey by chance?
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:43 pm to SpidermanTUba
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to prove that there is voter fraud,
Why are you not upset over the fact polling officials were willing to let him vote without having to identify himself? It really shows how truly despicable you are.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:45 pm to Al Dante
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Didn't you call everyone that disagreed with you retarded just a while ago? Pot meet kettle I guess.
Nooo...this is what I said:
"yall are so dammed funny and so dammed easy that making fun of yall is like poking fun at a retarded folks...."
I said that making fun of yall was akin to making fun of retarded people..easy to do but not exactly high browed. By the way that wasn't directed at anyone who disagreed with me, it was directed at someone for posting a picture of the feared New Black Panthers (at least 25% of them) and nothoing else in response to this thread about voter fraud....not exactly disagreeing with me, just being silly....
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:48 pm to carbola
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Well to be fair you said someone would actually think "I have to withdraw something from my pocket to vote? Screw it I'm not going!"
Nooooo....I said that doing so would make voting more difficult because it would require another step. I don't think I ever said that someone would say frick it but now that you bring it up I suspect this is true...after all when you consider that what, 25% of eligible people vote in this country it is not hard to imagine that some will be put off by the simple step of getting their wallet out of their pockets....I am sure they can come up with even more stupid reasons not to be bothered to vote...
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:51 pm to germandawg
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germandawg
I could agree with some of that post, mainly that our voter turnout is pathetic, but here is what I was refering to in my original post:
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fewer people may be inclined to vote since they dont have an id or it is too much effort to reach into their back pocket
But if literally moving your arm is too much work, I'm sure it's not the ID that is stopping them from voting. It's just pure apathy.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:54 pm to Jbird
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So you know nary a soul without an ID
But continue to argue there are some poor souls somewhere in the universe without one
Or it's too large a burden to remember said ID on the day you vote
yes, i am quite capable of detaching my own life experience from discussions of logic. Are you suggesting that since I don't know anyone without an ID that there is no one without an ID???? WOW....that is some leap my friend....like I said I do not personally know any millionaire lesbians but I am pretty certain they exist.
I googled millionaire lesbians before posting this and apparently they do exist despite the fact that I dont know any personally....yall can do the same thing if you dont beleive it...
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:55 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Why are you not upset over the fact polling officials were willing to let him vote without having to identify himself? It really shows how truly despicable you are.
Apparently there is no law requiring id in North Carolina....so that is why they didnt ask for it,,,,
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