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re: Pump the breaks on a National Divorce
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:37 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:37 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Pump the breaks
brakes.
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:38 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Do please keep going at explaining how war is a good thing.
Who said anything about a war?
You Democrats like to call us racist and riot and loot when you don't get your way.
We are sick of you losers.
Democrats seem to be bothered the most by a split.
I wonder why that is?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:38 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't know what this means. I mean, if you can't come up with a few credible arguments for why it makes sense for us to live under the same roof, isn't that an answer in itself?
"It would be hard," and "nostalgia," just can be all there is here.
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The entire concept of national divorce is to avoid "total war". With civilized people, that should be possible. I'm not sure it is, because one side is adamant that the other side can't leave.
Correct.
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This should be the starting question: If we woke up tomorrow with no government in this land, with all of the same cultural and political and religious divides inherent in it, would it make sense to form a government with authority over the entirety of the geographic US?
The answer, of course, is no. And no reasonable person would say otherwise.
And at this point, we no longer even have a shared, agreed upon history that binds us. It's solely geography and nostalgia.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:38 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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However, if the US did have a breakup, we’d all be screwed.
There’s also the small detail of a “National divorce” being impossible to enact on any sort of reasonable basis. There is simply no way to do it geographically.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:38 pm to redneck hippie
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Aren’t you completely dismissing the role of the judicial branch?
How so? It's subject to the same issues that plague the rest of the branches. It's politicized. It's determined to some degree by elections and one side dominating over the other.
I'd argue the judicial branch is an example of how the country has failed. We're so polarized that we've taken something that should be semi-objective - the interpretation of statues and founding documents - and managed to contort them into something that can serve divergent political ends.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:41 pm to Pettifogger
I’d also argue this divide is a generational problem. It will eventually run it’s course.
I could be wrong, but the pendulum always swings. It always has.
There will always be fringe beliefs, but shouldn’t drive overall policy
I could be wrong, but the pendulum always swings. It always has.
There will always be fringe beliefs, but shouldn’t drive overall policy
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:41 pm to Pettifogger
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How so? It's subject to the same issues that plague the rest of the branches. It's politicized. It's determined to some degree by elections and one side dominating over the other.
I'd argue the judicial branch is an example of how the country has failed. We're so polarized that we've taken something that should be semi-objective - the interpretation of statues and founding documents - and managed to contort them into something that can serve divergent political ends.
The current party in power is still talking about adding 4 additional seats to the USSC solely for the purpose of taking total control of the court because they were unhappy with the system that got it to where it is. So nah...I'm not confident in the role of the judiciary.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:42 pm to redneck hippie
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But isn’t that why we have elections?
Do you really believe FJB got 81M "legit" votes. Legit being the key word.
That right there, whether legit or not, coupled with heading in opposite direction s, is why USA should be split up.
The leftists will starve to death in 12-24 months unless the rightest are kind enough to sell to the them.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:42 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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4 of those were a military conflict/war. Czech Republic was a side effect of WWII. Do please keep going at explaining how war is a good thing.
Your history needs some fine tuning.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:46 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Your no daisy at all
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:46 pm to Indefatigable
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This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 12:09 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:47 pm to redneck hippie
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I could be wrong, but the pendulum always swings. It always has.
I'm just not sure why this keeps not getting addressed, but there is a world of difference between the pendulum swinging between JFK and Nixon in 1960, and Trump and Biden in 2020.
When is swung back and forth then, it was hardly noticeable, because we were all still in agreement on the direction we were heading. Now, it causes an Earth Quake every time a new party takes control, because half the country is suddenly in a position of being 100% unhappy with the direction of the country.
If power resided back with the states, this could be solved on a family by family basis by moving to a state that better fit your ideals. But where do you move when you're an American and this election cycle your side was voted out and because of that everything you love about the country is under attack as a plank of the party in power? Regardless of which party or side you're on?
We've beyond calling this a pendulum swing, as if these are minor differences that can be overcome with an election cycle.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:47 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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you call that an ad hominem?
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Yes, I do.
Then allow me to apologize in advance for what you will undoubtedly construe as yet another: you need to develop a thicker skin.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:48 pm to Pettifogger
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It's subject to the same issues that plague the rest of the branches.
Fair enough. I don’t really agree tho.
A majority of the court was appointed by conservative presidents. Probably nationwide. Trump’s administration had the opportunity to reshape the judiciary. Which is fine with me. That’s our system
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:49 pm to LuckyTiger
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name the top 5 countries that had an internal split and had a good time about it.
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Croatia
Slovenia
What? Neither of these countries had a good time splitting from Yugoslavia.
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Czech Republic Slovakia
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Montenegro
These only occured peacefully because the Czechs and Slovaks (and the Montenegrins/Serbs) were already divided into culturally/racially/linguistically homogenous territories within the former countries. Those boundaries were already in place.
We have nothing approaching that.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:50 pm to redneck hippie
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A majority of the court was appointed by conservative presidents. Probably nationwide. Trump’s administration had the opportunity to reshape the judiciary. Which is fine with me. That’s our system
So you're against the Democrat Party's push for adding 4 additional seats to the USSC?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:50 pm to LuckyTiger
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Your history needs some fine tuning.
Do please explain how any of those countries became to be without war.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:51 pm to tide06
Yep, if you did it over time and allowed free movement it’s not a big deal.
Though I could see the left pulling its favorite tactic and building my walls to trap people in their communist land.
It would take sometime but the new blue land would mostly be the entire northeast, the left coast as its base and then we probably have to break a few states in half.
Both would have plenty of ports, now the left would have better access to their friend China.
We could even put in place some port zones and specific slices of land that are free go zones.
Red states would end up being the bigger better states in like 10
Years time.
The question is how do you move the poor in each section that have no means to move.
The left side would depend on the right to supply food
Though I could see the left pulling its favorite tactic and building my walls to trap people in their communist land.
It would take sometime but the new blue land would mostly be the entire northeast, the left coast as its base and then we probably have to break a few states in half.
Both would have plenty of ports, now the left would have better access to their friend China.
We could even put in place some port zones and specific slices of land that are free go zones.
Red states would end up being the bigger better states in like 10
Years time.
The question is how do you move the poor in each section that have no means to move.
The left side would depend on the right to supply food
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:52 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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I’d like to keep my thinking on what’s going on in the country into more tangible means of improving the situation and not total war.
Why do you keep talking about total war?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:52 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm just not sure why this keeps not getting addressed, but there is a world of difference between the pendulum swinging between JFK and Nixon in 1960, and Trump and Biden in 2020.
And this has been documented in various studies about how much overlap there used to be and how little there is now. The left has taken fringe and adopted it for a plurality if not a majority, but it's still considered whacko fringe by half the country.
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