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Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:21 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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First of all, there's no evidence that he was trying to "defend" himself. Second, the two dudes in the car have every right under Georgia law to make a citizens arrest and detain the individual until the police arrive. None of that is in question by smart people here. But everyone with common sense knows you don't try and take a persons shotgun away from them, barrel first. If you assume the two dudes in the car were in the wrong (which is just your assumption at this point), that still doesn't give the guy the right to steal someone else's gun from them.
Goddam
Almost every word of this is just flat out wrong
And easily proven wrong, too. Not some obscure shite.
Do better.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:21 pm to AggieHank86
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He had a conviction for illegal possession of a weapon.
How could this be without a prior conviction?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:22 pm to Dawgfan247
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However, of all the cases, this one actually looks like racism.
It looks like profiling and stupid decisions; for some people that’s racism. Maybe it was, but I suspect it was just profiling.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:23 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
quote:No.
the two dudes in the car have every right under Georgia law to make a citizens arrest and detain the individual until the police arrive.
quote:The reporting is unanimous that these yahoos did NOT see a crime committed. They just drove up on this kid running down "their" street.
O.C.G.A. 17-4-60
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge
quote:You are asking two very different questions. (1) Is it a smart move? and (2) Is it a legitimate self-defense option?
But everyone with common sense knows you don't try and take a persons shotgun away from them, barrel first. If you assume the two dudes in the car were in the wrong (which is just your assumption at this point), that still doesn't give the guy the right to steal someone else's gun from them.
My take: (1) no; and (2) absolutely yes.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:23 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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He had a conviction for illegal possession of a weapon.
How could this be without a prior conviction?
Really dude?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:25 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
quote:Apparently, it was on the grounds of his high school.quote:How could this be without a prior conviction?
He had a conviction for illegal possession of a weapon.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:27 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Really?
Interesting question. Probably not.
I've got far more experience in criminal law than civil law, and this site may be a stack of BS, but LINK ]a homeowner may indeed be liable for the injuries sustained by an invitee.
I don't want to drift from the point of this thread because this isn't a homeowner/insurance/liability case. However, it does go to my point of avoiding BS like this at all costs by not being where you ought not be.
And for the record, I have no respect for the actions of the shooters that day. Personally, I think AA should have yielded as running would probably have prolonged the strife and trying to disarm one of the shooters clearly wasn't a successful option. I did joke that AA attempted to suppress that guy's 2A rights, but that was tongue-in-cheek and that context may have been lost.
The actions taken by all involved (including AA) had disastrous results.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:29 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Why would a person behave that way?
Idk. People literally do it every day all across the country. Many in this very thread have taken a stroll into an unfinished residential construction site to take a look around.
None of that has really shite to do with the McMichaels’ actions that followed.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:30 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:I don't see Arbery qualifying as an invitee, and I doubt that a water spigot qualifies as an attractive nuisance, but I am certainly not a tort lawyer in Georgia. In any case, that issue is WAY off point.
this site may be a stack of BS, but a homeowner may indeed be liable for the injuries sustained by an invitee.
quote:I thought it was hilarious, but some did seem to take it seriously.
I did joke that AA attempted to suppress that guy's 2A rights, but that was tongue-in-cheek and that context may have been lost.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:31 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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First of all, there's no evidence that he was trying to "defend" himself. Second, the two dudes in the car have every right under Georgia law to make a citizens arrest and detain the individual until the police arrive. None of that is in question by smart people here. But everyone with common sense knows you don't try and take a persons shotgun away from them, barrel first. If you assume the two dudes in the car were in the wrong (which is just your assumption at this point), that still doesn't give the guy the right to steal someone else's gun from them.
All of this is very, very wrong.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:31 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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An unemployed person with no prospects and no right to be there? That's where you and I begin to separate.
The left doesn't want you to be able to use any type of common sense stereo types to accurately see the world. As soon as this person turned out to be black, it was because of racism that he was killed. Maybe, maybe not? But to overlook all the other aspects you mentioned and not factor them into your decision on whether or not someone is stealing, just because they are black, is wrong.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:33 pm to mouton
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False.
Because it's not a law, or because the two guys in the truck had no reason to suspect Aubrey of a crime?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:33 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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actor them into your decision on whether or not someone is stealing,
I only factored one think into my decision on whether he was stealing or not. He did not take anything from the construction site.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:And my point is that those people are usually prospective buyers. AA was about as far away from being a homeowner as one an be. No job. No real education with which to secure a job.
Idk. People literally do it every day all across the country. Many in this very thread have taken a stroll into an unfinished residential construction site to take a look around.
quote:I really don't want to argue. This is an honest question. Not a troll attempt. I agree that the shooters are in the wrong.
None of that has really shite to do with the McMichaels’ actions that followed.
But...
Is it more or less likely that AA would have been shot had he not been diddy-bopping inside that house that day?
I say far less likely. I say that he bears at least a small degree of responsibility for the inciting events that culminated in his death.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:34 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Because it's not a law, or because the two guys in the truck had no reason to suspect Aubrey of a crime?
Hank answered this question for you.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:34 pm to AggieHank86
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To clarify, I don't know of any express "agreement."
You're arguing the "assumptions" as fact, when you don't know what Aubrey's intentions were, anymore than anyone else in this thread.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:34 pm to vodkacop
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Please make a list of this group then make the opposite list of murderous thugs that went out and randomly and purposefully murdered white people. Lets see which one comes out longer
He’s been challenged on this several times. For all the pearl-clutching on this incident, it’s clearly not just about innocent people being gunned down.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:35 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:This point has not really been addressed enough.
People literally do it every day all across the country. Many in this very thread have taken a stroll into an unfinished residential construction site to take a look around.
None of that has really shite to do with the McMichaels’ actions that followed.
The undeniable fact (based upon the facts known to date) is that McMichael and his merry band of gun-toting rednecks did NOT witness a crime. They just saw a Black kid running down "their" street and decided to "arrest" him at gunpoint. The kid did not acquiesce, one of said rednecks discharged his weapon, and the kid died.
They would have done exactly the same thing if Arbery had NOT stopped to drink some tap water ... because they never SAW him on that property. They just did not like seeing him running down a street in their neighborhood.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:37 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Is it more or less likely that AA would have been shot had he not been diddy-bopping inside that house that day?
The McMichaels never saw him inside the unfinished house so...
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 3:39 pm
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