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re: Run 2.23 for Arbery #werunwitharbery
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:16 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:16 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Crossing one yard in about ten seconds seems consistent with a leisurely jogging pace, but it looks almost like someone wanted to make it appear that he was running much faster than was actually the case.
Yea I don't like how its edited for news and brevity, I saw the unedited clip a while back. I'll keep looking.
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Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:36 am to Hot Carl
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Hot Carl
How far are we running for all those killed by black men?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 5:34 pm to AggieHank86
Azkiger, any luck finding that raw video from across the street?
I have watched probably 10-12 versions today, and ALL have that same 10x acceleration as he crosses the yard.
I have watched probably 10-12 versions today, and ALL have that same 10x acceleration as he crosses the yard.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 5:39 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Azkiger, any luck finding that raw video from across the street?
I saw one that was slower, and also contained a car cruising down the street a minute or two earlier. Both he and the car covered the same distance and ended up only being 2 or 3 seconds apart.
That seems to suggest he was booking it, but there are the rare birds that do 5-10 through a subdivision so it wasn't concrete.
One thing I did hear was the 911 call from that neighbor standing at the end of his driveway. As Arbery ran past the neighbor told dispatch that he was running by.
I dunno man, I just don't see any normal person behaving like he did. If I'm out for a jog and decide to stop in at a construction site just to poke around and see home design ideas and I pass 15 foot from a neighbor eyeing my down, phone in hand, saying that I'm running past him, I'm going to stop and let the water get cleared.
His behavior, his attire, it all screams potential thief. I've already said I don't know for sure he was there to steal or to case, but I wouldn't require any arm twisting and it has nothing to do with his skin color.
EDIT: None of that changes the fact that the son was a dumbass for exiting the truck with a shotgun, then switched sides to cut Arbery off. At that point in time both he and his dad became the aggressors and justified Arbery fighting back.
Although I wouldn't suggest it, the most I could see anyone rationally doing was following at a safe distance while on the phone with dispatch. Even then, he's on foot. What happens if he starts cutting through people's property and someone gets hurt/shot. You're on the hook for following him.
It's best to leave that shite alone.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:00 pm to Azkiger
For me, I have trouble seeing 10 seconds to cross a yard being anything other than a reasonable jogging pace, but I WOULD like to see the raw footage eventually.
At the same time, I fully understand your point about saying hello to the neighbor.
At the same time, I fully understand your point about saying hello to the neighbor.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 6:13 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I have trouble seeing 10 seconds to cross a yard being anything other than a reasonable jogging pace
I had him at 17 seconds crossing 4-5 homes (hard to tell the porch roof blocks a lot, and a car doing that in 14 seconds.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
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This baw did not deserve to be shot.
It is generally not a good idea to attack and try to take a shotgun from an armed man.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:23 pm to Auburn1968
Neither is it a good idea to arm up and chase a guy around with a couple of vehicles, and demand that he stop. Just video the guy, and call the cops.
Som’s going to prison for murder. Dad may. The other guy is a question mark.
Som’s going to prison for murder. Dad may. The other guy is a question mark.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:38 pm to yesyesyall
quote:
Watch "Ahmaud Arbery Bombshell Case Update" on YouTube
LINK
Thank you for that, I just watched it and will watch his previous video. Interesting seeing AIU pop up as well
I use to watch his stuff a bit.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:42 pm to Auburn1968
quote:It may or may not be a good idea based on the totality of the situation. But basically in no plausible scenarios based on the video or anything we know did he deserve to get shot (or chased with guns at all for that matter.)
It is generally not a good idea to attack and try to take a shotgun from an armed man.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:49 pm to Azkiger
quote:I just watched it, too.quote:Thank you for that, I just watched it
Watch "Ahmaud Arbery Bombshell Case Update" on YouTube
For those who've not, he takes about 15 minutes to tell us that people have been doing some digging and have found a number of witnesses who say they saw Arbery engaging in questionable behavior in the past, some of which MIGHT constitute criminal activity and some of which is suggestive of criminal intent in prior situations.
The issue is that the McMichael lawyers are seeking leave to introduce those events in evidence, despite the lack of convictions for criminal activity. This is problematic, because evidence of "prior bad acts" is USUALLY not admissible (especially absent conviction). Of course, there are exceptions.
But it is IMPORTANT, because (if admitted into evidence) that information MIGHT convince jurors to believe that Arbery entered the construction site with intent to commit a felony (enhancing the entry from a potential trespass misdemeanor to a potential burglary felony). The applicable burglary statute does NOT require that the accused person ACTUALLY steal something. The element of the crime is only that he enter the premises with INTENT either to commit a felony or to commit a theft (even a misdemeanor theft).
In turn, this might lessen the Defendants' burden in establishing that they were attempting to conduct a valid citizens' arrest. If THAT is the case, they would not have been committing a felony solely by attempting to arrest him, which removes two of the Defendants from the "felony murder rule."
For a variety of reasons (most technical), I doubt that the judge allows this information into evidence. Nonetheless, it DOES provide some additional interesting insight into Arbery's background.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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But basically in no plausible scenarios based on the video or anything we know did he deserve to get shot (or chased with guns at all for that matter.)
I disagree.
While the people in the truck may have been unaware of Arbery's criminal history, it does exist and it does give reason to view his trespassing on the property as looking for something to steal. Things were already stolen, that's why cameras were put up. And it's already been confirmed that Arbery was on camera late at night on one or two occasions. It's reasonable to assume he was there to steal, not jog.
The guys in the truck didn't shoot Arbery for potential theft, they shot him because he charged at them.
The only legal question here is whether or not the guys in the truck were in position to attempt to stop Arbery in the first place.
But charging someone with a gun when you were just casing a home/attempting to steal from a home places your life in someone else's hands.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:53 pm to AggieHank86
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For a variety of reasons (most technical), I doubt that the judge allows this information into evidence.
I don't know the exact reasons, but I have spotted the trend. I agree, it's a long shot that this enters the courtroom, although I do think it's relevant to this case.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:54 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Most people would raise their hands and wait till the police showed up to sort it out.
Are you advocating for armed posses stopping people who are not committing crimes?
What
The
frick
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Are you advocating for armed posses stopping people who are not committing crimes?
Go ahead and just say he was out jogging.Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:57 pm to Azkiger
quote:Is that true? I thought it showed a black dude that was not him? Also, why didn't he steal those times he was on camera there (if that was indeed him)?
And it's already been confirmed that Arbery was on camera late at night on one or two occasions
quote:Right. They are ignorant assholes who had no business brandishing weapons against a stranger who posed literally no threat to them. And even if we knew with absolute certainty that Arbery pilfered some shite from the site, he STILL did not deserve to be shot to death.
While the people in the truck may have been unaware of Arbery's criminal history,
quote:This is absurd, circular logic. If they hadn't ILLEGALLY brandished weapons against him, then he never would have charged them.
The guys in the truck didn't shoot Arbery for potential theft, they shot him because he charged at them.
quote:that is most certainly not the only legal question.
The only legal question here is whether or not the guys in the truck were in position to attempt to stop Arbery in the first place.
quote:This is as facile of a take as I can imagine.
But charging someone with a gun when you were just casing a home/attempting to steal from a home places your life in someone else's hands.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 6:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:I think that this is actually a PROBLEM for the McMichaels Defendants, because it tends to indicate that he HAD previously entered the premises and had NOT committed a theft, lessening the likelihood that he had such intent in this instance.quote:Is that true? I thought it showed a black dude that was not him? Also, why didn't he steal those times he was on camera there (if that was indeed him)?
And it's already been confirmed that Arbery was on camera late at night on one or two occasions
quote:Agreed. The video clearly shows Arbery trying to detour around the PASSENGER side of the vehicle because McMichael Jr. was blocking his path (with a shotgun) on the DRIVER's side. It was McMichael Jr. who rushed across the front of the vehicle in yet ANOTHER attempt to block Arbery's path.quote:This is absurd, circular logic.
The guys in the truck didn't shoot Arbery for potential theft, they shot him because he charged at them.
quote:That is pretty simplistic. There are at least six or eight QUITE interesting questions in this scenario.
The only legal question here is whether or not the guys in the truck were in position to attempt to stop Arbery in the first place.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 6:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
The plausible scenario you claimed isn't possible is as follows.
Arbery entered the premise with the intent to steal (potential felony), the guys in the truck were told by a neighbor that the person running was the person who was in the house (granting them first hand knowledge of potential felon), they decided to attempt a citizen's arrest with firearms which is allowed if a felony has been committed, while attempting a citizen's arrest (assumed to be a lawful act) Arbery reached for the gun (elevating this event to potentially life threatening) and was shot.
That's certainly plausible.
Arbery entered the premise with the intent to steal (potential felony), the guys in the truck were told by a neighbor that the person running was the person who was in the house (granting them first hand knowledge of potential felon), they decided to attempt a citizen's arrest with firearms which is allowed if a felony has been committed, while attempting a citizen's arrest (assumed to be a lawful act) Arbery reached for the gun (elevating this event to potentially life threatening) and was shot.
That's certainly plausible.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 6:09 pm to Azkiger
quote:That is certainly the theory from the blogger guy with the revised video.
Arbery entered the premise with the intent to steal (potential felony), the guys in the truck were told by a neighbor that the person running was the person who was in the house (granting them first hand knowledge of potential felon), they decided to attempt a citizen's arrest with firearms which is allowed if a felony has been committed, while attempting a citizen's arrest (assumed to be a lawful act) Arbery reached for the gun (elevating this event to potentially life threatening) and was shot.
I see two problems. First, the early statements do not say that the caller identified Arberty specifically ... only (and I paraphrase) "a Black guy." Second, I think the blogger guy misunderstands the case about first-hand vs second-hand knowledge of the existence of a crime. The fact that the caller did NOT specifically ID Arbery (but rather just "a Black guy") is a VERY important distinction, "breaking the chain of knowledge" if you will.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 6:13 pm
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