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re: Run 2.23 for Arbery #werunwitharbery
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:19 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:19 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You realize he tried to take a guy's shotgun away from the wrong end?
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Which was his legal right to do.
apparently that guy thinks that people who defend themselves from assault are at fault when they are murdered
hell of a hill to die on
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:20 pm to BugAC
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I said "breaking into"
How does walking into an open construction site equal "breaking into?" We both know that when you said he broke into a construction site the overwhelming majority of people would interpret that as him kicking a door in, breaking a window etc. Why did you choose that term?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:21 pm to RiseUpATL
I've tried running in flip flops before but could never get the hang of it.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:22 pm to mouton
quote:Thereby placing him well within the boundary where his actions make him an angel.
No. I see tons of people say this. Not sure where it came from but he was 2 1/2 miles away from his house.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:23 pm to mouton
quote:Probably purchased from the same store as the jeans and Timberland work boots he was wearing and the claw hammer he was carrying.quote:Not sure where it came from but he was 2 1/2 miles away from his house.
Wasn’t he 12 miles away from his home?
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:"When you are being assaulted, you should just relax and enjoy it." Clayton Williams.
apparently that guy thinks that people who defend themselves from assault are at fault when they are murdered
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:26 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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apparently that guy thinks that people who defend themselves from assault are at fault when they are murdered
Yep. In Ga you can be charged with aggravated assault for pointing a weapon at someone which the shooter did to Arbery before he veered to the right and attempted to pass on the passenger side of the truck.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:31 pm to mouton
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My wife and I have walked through tons of houses under construction. We’re robbing construction sites?
The media and the left is not claiming you and your wife were out jogging.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:37 pm to BugAC
quote:Let's look at your post:
I said "breaking into" not breaking and entering, jackass
quote:You really make this easy.
BugAC 2/24/21 at 12:11 pm
Ah, so you are stupid. I suppose you believe "breaking and entering" means physical breaking???
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:38 pm to Barstools
quote:That's BS. He had been chased and was hemmed in by people pointing guns at him. He took his chance. It clearly ended up being tactically the wrong play, but it was neither ethically nor morally incorrect.
Fake news, he didn't try to run. He tried to take the dude head on. He didn't try to run until after he was shot.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:47 pm to LetsgoGamecocks
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The media and the left is not claiming you and your wife were out jogging.
Is there evidence he wasn’t doing that?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:So was he shopping? Do you think he was a prospective buyer of that home?
Is there evidence he wasn’t doing that?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:01 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Considering that people walking around and through residential construction sites is not uncommon, probably not.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:02 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:A lot of articles indicate that multiple videos show a Black male (that may have been Arbery) passing thru the unfinished house repeatedly over a period of days, going to a spigot in the back yard and getting a drink then leaving without taking anything but that swallow of water.
So was he shopping? Do you think he was a prospective buyer of that home?
Full disclosure, I have not seen those videos.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:So why would the former McDonald's employee, who:
Considering that people walking around and through residential construction sites is not uncommon, probably not.
was effectively unemployed
not enrolled in any type of school
had a lengthy criminal record
did not have a place of his own to live
decide to introduce himself into an area placed upon a property where he does not belong? A place where he had absolutely no right to be? A place where he had no business to conduct?
I'm genuinely at a loss. What on Earth gave him the idea to go traipsing through a place he did not own and which he could not afford?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:06 pm to mouton
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How does walking into an open construction site equal "breaking into?"
Thus the term, breaking and entering. You don't have to "break something" to enter, unlawfully, into a person's property.
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We both know that when you said he broke into a construction site the overwhelming majority of people would interpret that as him kicking a door in
Well considering there is video of him not kicking in a door, and walking into an unfinished construction site, i wouldn't think i have to make that distinction...or would i?
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Why did you choose that term?
Why are you offended by that term? Factually, he was breaking into that construction site. What do you want me to say, "he was illegally entering property not of his own"?
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breaking and entering: The entering of another's premises without authorization, especially after the use of illegal means such as forcing a lock.
Note the "especially" before you note it for another reason. Doesn't mean solely. You politically correct pansies are so mad when your narrative doesn't get followed to the letter. No one cares if your feelings get hurt because i made the joke "does it include breaking into a construction site."
So i appreciate you 2 dopes commitment to focus on the absurdly stupid details that have zero to do with the subject matter. You are hung up on what i really think breaking and entering vs. breaking into means, hank is hung up on the solar positions are of that day. Both are examples of getting lost in the woods, when your narrative is challenged.
Here are the facts:
1. Arbery "broke into" a construction site. Coincidentally, it was rumored that multiple construction sites in that area have had break ins as well. I don't think the owners or police distinguish between break ins or "walk ins" or whatever churched up name you want to give it when making a simple description of what happened. And before you idiots reply to this, i don't mean the official police report. I mean, when someone references, "hey there was a break in at the house" is a more common phrasing than, "hey there was a breaking and entering at the house". Yes, hank. I know that is where you were going with that.
2. Arbery likely wasn't "just out for a jog." I make that statement based on how he was dressed. He was wearing what looked to be khaki cargo shorts and a long white t-shirt. Not typical for your average runner, but that is possible. I used to have an asian neighbor years ago that would jog in khaki pants, in the neighborhood. So i've seen stranger. And i say "likely" just based on some context clues, nothing definitive.
3. If the narrative was he was a jogger, then he wasn't out house shopping, if he was out house shopping, he wasn't out jogging. These 2 narratives, that i've heard before, are both false. If the narrative has changed since the day of the incident, then fill me in.
I explained the jogging issue above. If he was just "window shopping" at a house being built, which isn't an out of the ordinary thing, the video of him in the house shows either he was immediately not interested in the house, or he wasn't there to browse. I don't know his intentions, nor does anyone. I think we should all admit that, before stating declaratives like "HE WAS JUST BROWSING, looking for new home ideas" or "he was out to rob the place blind".
4. The 2 rednecks that shot him, shouldn't have been there. They are not LEO. You have an issue, call the police. Some say they are worried about their property, so they go looking for the guy to chase him off. Ok, then don't pull out a gun. That is stupidity at it's finest. If you pull out a gun, then your intent is to kill. Doing so without the intent to kill, often leads to bad outcomes anyway. I don't think these 2 were out looking to kill someone. I think they were stupid and weren't expecting Arbery to confront them, and that's when all parties got stupid.
In the end, this is not a case i followed, other than when the day it happened. As usual, the media turned it into a circus, and so have many here. Common sense and logic disappeared because everyone wanted to be "right". No one was right here. A kid lost his life, and 2 other people have their lives destroyed, and the media is doing their best to incite a race riot. Let the court system play out. That is why we have courts. Wanting another media based court system is asking for the fox to guard the henhouse.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:08 pm to AggieHank86
quote:So that person (possibly AA) was inserting himself into an area where he had not one shred of business. Not one legal leg to stand on. Stealing utilities.
A lot of articles indicate that multiple videos show a Black male (that may have been Arbery) passing thru the unfinished house repeatedly over a period of days, going to a spigot in the back yard and getting a drink then leaving without taking anything but that swallow of water.
Full disclosure, I have not seen those videos.
Why would a person behave that way?
Earlier you challenged the idea that it wasn't trespassing by statute, and I agree. But do you have a sign in your yard that says "NO TRESPASSING"? I'm sure you'd have something to say about somebody be-bopping through your yard to drink from your hose.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:09 pm to AggieHank86
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Let's look at your post:
Please do, when i said
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I said "breaking into" not breaking and entering, jackass
I was correcting you in the correct terminology of what i said that you misquoted. Does not change the meaning of the terms. I'm sorry you are having a hard time with this. I figure being a smart lawyer, you could follow. I was wrong.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:21 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Earlier you challenged the idea that it wasn't trespassing by statute, and I agree.
In a court of law, maybe. But when a property owner or construction company asks the police to patrol the neighborhood because of break-ins, the police will tell anyone, who has no business being on that property to leave. If the person does not oblige, he would be arrested for trespassing. I'm sure that person could try to say, in court, "well there was no trespassing signs". I would think it would be up to the judge at that point to determine a penalty or throw out the case.
If the case were to be thrown out, then does that mean that any person has every right to be on your property, unless posted elsewhere? What about within the confines of a building, or gated or enclosed structure? In that case, no. That, by legal definition is...BREAKING AND ENTERING
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:22 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:???
lengthy criminal record
He had a conviction for illegal possession of a weapon. 2A advocates would call that very charge unconstitutional.
He was arrested (but apparently not convicted) for misdemeanor shoplifting.
No, he was not a paragon of virtue, but I would hardly call that a "lengthy criminal record."
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