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re: Run 2.23 for Arbery #werunwitharbery
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:27 pm to BugAC
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:27 pm to BugAC
Section 16-7-21 Criminal Trespass
(b)(2) There is absolutely no evidence of "prior notice."
(b)(3) There is absolutely no evidence of a request that he leave.
quote:(b)(1) There is absolutely no evidence of an "unlawful purpose."
(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:
(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;
(2) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving, prior to such entry, notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant that such entry is forbidden; or
(3) Remains upon the land or premises of another person or within the vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant to depart.
(b)(2) There is absolutely no evidence of "prior notice."
(b)(3) There is absolutely no evidence of a request that he leave.
quote:Georgia law codifies no such offense.
That, by legal definition is...BREAKING AND ENTERING
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:33 pm to RiseUpATL
2 trigger happy hillbillies killed him for walking into a construction site. They should fry. The is the one case out of all the high-profile race cases that actually has a legitimate argument. The 2 dumb fricks should have just called the cops.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:34 pm to AggieHank86
quote:My deepest apologies. "Lengthy" relative to people like me ( LINK ]and nearly three quarters of the US population). And he had a gun at a school, something I would think a large portion of 2A supporters aren't trying to oppose. Please feel free to provide a link though. I'd be interested in reading that.
???
He had a conviction for illegal possession of a weapon. 2A advocates would call that very charge unconstitutional.
He was arrested (but apparently not convicted) for misdemeanor shoplifting.
No, he was not a paragon of virtue, but I would hardly call that a "lengthy criminal record."
I'd also be interested in the rest of my post you did not address, specifically:
So why would the former McDonald's employee, who:
was effectively unemployed
not enrolled in any type of school
had a lengthy criminal record
did not have a place of his own to live
decide to introduce himself into an area placed upon a property where he does not belong? A place where he had absolutely no right to be? A place where he had no business to conduct?
I'm genuinely at a loss. What on Earth gave him the idea to go traipsing through a place he did not own and which he could not afford?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:35 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:Because it was the halfway point of his daily run, and he was thirsty?
Why would a person behave that way?
quote:If I lived in Georgia, I would ask him to leave ... which would make him a trespasser, if he failed to comply. I would also ask not to return ... which would make him a trespasser, if he returned in the future. Lastly, I would post a sign, to emphasize the latter.
Earlier you challenged the idea that it wasn't trespassing by statute, and I agree. ... I'm sure you'd have something to say about somebody be-bopping through your yard to drink from your hose.
quote:Well, my house is half a mile from the road at the back side of the hay patch, but there is indeed a "No Trespass" sign up at the cattle guard.
do you have a sign in your yard that says "NO TRESPASSING"?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:37 pm to BugAC
quote:I'm a former police officer, and you'd be wrong about this in the two areas I policed. GA may be different.
In a court of law, maybe. But when a property owner or construction company asks the police to patrol the neighborhood because of break-ins, the police will tell anyone, who has no business being on that property to leave. If the person does not oblige, he would be arrested for trespassing.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:38 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
AggieHank86
So now you're just responding without reading or comprehending any of my posts?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:40 pm to AggieHank86
quote:So he left money for the utilities he used? Who pays the water bill at such a location?
Because it was the halfway point of his daily run, and he was thirsty?
quote:But why would you ask him to leave? He isn't stealing anything. He was just thirsty.
If I lived in Georgia, I would ask him to leave ... which would make him a trespasser, if he failed to comply. I would also ask not to return ... which would make him a trespasser, if he returned in the future. Lastly, I would post a sign, to emphasize the latter.
quote:How about your car? If you left the back door open, let's say, and a nice young man was jogging by. If he was oh so tired and decided to curl up on your back seat - not stealing anything - you'd be okay with it?
Well, my house is half a mile from the road at the back side of the hay patch, but there is indeed a "No Trespass" sign up at the cattle guard.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:42 pm to Dawgfan247
quote:Imagine a world where people minded their own business and did not enter areas where they were not invited and did not belong.
2 trigger happy hillbillies killed him for walking into a construction site. They should fry. The is the one case out of all the high-profile race cases that actually has a legitimate argument. The 2 dumb fricks should have just called the cops.
Just think of it.
If AA had, he'd likely be alive today.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:44 pm to BugAC
quote:
If he was just "window shopping" at a house being built, which isn't an out of the ordinary thing,
By your definition this would constitute breaking into a construction site.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:46 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
I am going to act on the assumption that you are actually trying to engage in rational discussion ... unlike some posters I could mention.
was effectively unemployed. This appears to be a accurate summary.
not enrolled in any type of school. The reporting seems to indicate that he was enrolled to begin training as an electrician in the upcoming semester. But I acknowledge that reporters seldom get these facts correct. He could well have just told someone that he planned to do so.
did not have a place of his own to live. The sad fact is that a huge percentage of 25yo Americans live at home with a parent or parents.
decide to introduce himself into an area placed upon a property where he does not belong? A place where he had absolutely no right to be? A place where he had no business to conduct? ... What on Earth gave him the idea to go traipsing through a place he did not own and which he could not afford? I hope you are not implying that this kid had no legal right to be present in that neighborhood, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean only the partially-complete house that he clearly DID enter.
Apparently, the owner of that under-construction house had recorded video of Arbery entering the site multiple times over multiple weeks, getting a drink of water and then continuing his run without taking anything from the property. Apparently, the property owner did not mind sharing a few swallows of water with this kid, a couple of times per week. Otherwise, one would assume that he would have posted a "No Trespass" sign.
McMichael had a handgun stolen from his unlocked truck some days before the shooting. HE had a problem with "strangers" in "HIS" neighborhood, not the owner of the house in question.
was effectively unemployed. This appears to be a accurate summary.
not enrolled in any type of school. The reporting seems to indicate that he was enrolled to begin training as an electrician in the upcoming semester. But I acknowledge that reporters seldom get these facts correct. He could well have just told someone that he planned to do so.
did not have a place of his own to live. The sad fact is that a huge percentage of 25yo Americans live at home with a parent or parents.
decide to introduce himself into an area placed upon a property where he does not belong? A place where he had absolutely no right to be? A place where he had no business to conduct? ... What on Earth gave him the idea to go traipsing through a place he did not own and which he could not afford? I hope you are not implying that this kid had no legal right to be present in that neighborhood, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean only the partially-complete house that he clearly DID enter.
Apparently, the owner of that under-construction house had recorded video of Arbery entering the site multiple times over multiple weeks, getting a drink of water and then continuing his run without taking anything from the property. Apparently, the property owner did not mind sharing a few swallows of water with this kid, a couple of times per week. Otherwise, one would assume that he would have posted a "No Trespass" sign.
McMichael had a handgun stolen from his unlocked truck some days before the shooting. HE had a problem with "strangers" in "HIS" neighborhood, not the owner of the house in question.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:47 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:
Imagine a world where people minded their own business and did not enter areas where they were not invited and did not belong.
Be honest do you think it is uncommon for normal people to walk through homes under construction and check out the progress?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:47 pm to BugAC
quote:I rather doubt that ANYONE understands the gibberish that you post.
So now you're just responding without reading or comprehending any of my posts?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:47 pm to Dawgfan247
quote:
hillbillies
You at least get points for originality.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:50 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:The law allows me the exclusive use of my property. It does not REQUIRE me to exclude others.
why would you ask him to leave? He isn't stealing anything. He was just thirsty.
Apparently the owner of this site was aware that Arbery was routinely stopping at his property for a water break and had no objection to sharing a few swallows of tap water.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:50 pm to Dawgfan247
quote:
The is the one case out of all the high-profile race cases that actually has a legitimate argument.
You ever wonder why all the “high-profile race cases” have black victims? You people are being played.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:54 pm to mouton
quote:Apparently, if is OK to window-shop if you can afford to buy the place, but NOT if your interest is purely aspirational.quote:By your definition this would constitute breaking into a construction site
If he was just "window shopping" at a house being built, which isn't an out of the ordinary thing,
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:56 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Apparently, if is OK to window-shop if you can afford to buy the place, but NOT if your interest is purely aspirational.
Wait, i thought he was a jogger? Was he window shopping or jogging? You need to get your narrative straight and be consistent. Maybe then people wouldn't think you 2 love birds were such a joke.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:01 pm to BugAC
When my wife and I have walked through homes under construction were we "window shopping" or "breaking into construction sites?" 
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:01 pm to BugAC
quote:That seems to be consistent with the video evidence provided by the homeowner.
Wait, i thought he was a jogger?
quote:In that post, I was specifically responding to your observations as to whether "window shopping" is appropriate. My post was not specific to Arbery.
Was he window shopping or jogging? You need to get your narrative straight and be consistent.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:04 pm to Flats
I mean I get it, the news and media like to racebait using black people because they're horrible journalists with no originality and credibility so they have to use racebaiting. However, of all the cases, this one actually looks like racism. They're your typical backwoods hillbillies, but it's hard acknowledging an actual race case because the media will use it to "start a conversation" and label every black death as racism. You give an inch, they take a cross counter tour.
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