- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Russia: Is History Repeating Itself? Those who ignore it...
Posted on 2/23/22 at 4:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 2/23/22 at 4:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Without the war-mongering Prussians there, the Danzig Corridor becomes a non-issue, for one.
You mean without the people living there who founded the place and lived there for hundreds of years, the problems those people had would not have existed? What a profound take
quote:
For another, frick the Prussians.
Weird and random opinion to have.
quote:
I guess I just don't see the Allies as having all the cards in February of 1945.
The Western Allies had the entire deck, plus the card table and the room it was sitting in for a large portion of the previous three years.
quote:
It's not just a matter of the US making unilateral demands on them and expecting they'll just bow down and give us whatever we wanted.
Nope, we should have just tactically beat them there. And we could have. Instead we had our troops poking around France for months while Montgomery fricked around in the Netherlands.
quote:
The Prussians should've been removed,
Your animosity towards "Prussians" is hilariously random. Are you a big fan of all the other population swaps too? Are Polish Galicians on your shite list?
quote:
But then, why would the Red Army cede ANY territory it fought so hard for - especially German territory? Would you?
Considering that they did cede German territory (as did we), I would answer yes. However Roosevelt underestimated Stalin's intentions and gave away the store.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 4:12 pm
1
Posted on 2/23/22 at 4:12 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
So it is your position that we were just going to start at some point?
Lol yes; are you this ignorant?
quote:
Pseudo-historian edgelords are so tiresome when it comes to the World Wars and our involvement in them. The idea that the United States could have sat on the sidelines the entire time in both wars is completely absurd
To a neocon
Posted on 2/23/22 at 4:19 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
No matter how anyone everywhere feels about the situation , Russia has no lawful standing to dictate the foreign policies of other nations
You should have explained this to W, when he invaded Iraq.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 4:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Because he does (and nice use of Mercator to exaggerate that Artic borderline) doesn't mean he wants moar border with EU.
Apparently he does as Ukraine is bordered almost completely along its western side by EU countries. Taking Ukraine means those countries become neighbors instead of the Ukraine buffer (see: Belarus).
quote:
I still need help understanding the context of Lithuania in Ukraine
I have no idea what you're talking about "Lithuania in Ukraine". That's not anywhere in any of my posts. Please quote the part where you think that's what I mean and I'll try to clean up whatever misunderstanding.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:00 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
Taking the rest of Ukraine does not strengthen Russia's hold on Crimea.
That's just it, I don't think Putin is interested in "taking the rest of Ukraine". I think he wants to install a government that he can control, like Belarus, not actually annex territory. To do that, he needs the current government to collapse; to effect that, he's putting enormous pressure on Kiev.
That's just what it looks like to me. I'm not here to defend his actions, but to point out that, so far, everything he's done has been fairly rational and thus predictable.
Putin had JUST pressured Yanukovich to join his economic union instead of the EU, and then, BAM! CIA steps in and says, nope, nope, nope...
quote:
If that is what Ukraine decides for itself then fine.
That's like saying Poland should decide for itself what to do - in 1939. There's too much external pressure and the stakes are too high to let Ukrainians decide their own fate.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:02 pm to Rocco Immediate
quote:
To a neocon
So it is your position that it would ever have been realistic for the United States to ignore attacks on its vessels/citizens/interests and not intervened?
That is nothing but revisionist edge lord bullshite.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
That's just it, I don't think Putin is interested in "taking the rest of Ukraine". I think he wants to install a government that he can control, like Belarus, not actually annex territory. To do that, he needs the current government to collapse; to effect that, he's putting enormous pressure on Kiev.
I understand. I was just reiterating that the current Ukrainian government is not the one installed by the CIA in 2014.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:07 pm to Kjnstkmn
quote:
Zelensky working behind the scenes with Putin is setting up a vast sea change in Ukraine.
Wait... you (through echoing Brian Cates) are saying Zelensky, the President of Ukraine, is secretly working with Putin to have Russia invade Ukraine?
quote:
And of course Biden and the WEF globalists are FREAKING OUT over not only losing their money laundering cash cow,
Haiti, Myanmar, Laos, Rep. of Congo... those are the hotspots for money-laundering. Don't get me wrong, It's been going on in Ukraine but just because that's where Hunter gets his meth money from doesn't mean that's the hotspot. Remember, the Bidens are just wannabe power players and always have been.
quote:
but also being exposed for all the hundreds of billions of dollars they've stolen from their own countries and funneled through the Ukrainian banks.
How does Russia invading Ukraine aid this any more than Zelensky doing it on his own?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:42 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
I was just reiterating that the current Ukrainian government is not the one installed by the CIA in 2014.
But the one here is.
And to be honest, I trust Ukrainian elections even less than I trust US ones. So to say the 2019 elections were fairly won by Zelensky is further than I'm willing to go. I don't know how that shite went down, and I'm not going to pretend that I do. Count me as skeptical.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:58 pm to Bard
quote:
I have no idea what you're talking about "Lithuania in Ukraine".
Sorry, I think I was reading something else.
As to the increased frontier against the EU, I just don't think that's in Putin's best economic interests. I don't see it as much a NATO security issue as an economic EU vs EEU issue. Control of trade across the border, economic advantage over resources and transportation are in his interests. Really just gangsterism. It's not even ideological, imo.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:01 pm to Bard
We really should pay attention to how Napoleon and Adolph fared when they marched on Mother Russia!
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:08 pm to 4Ghost
We really should pay attention to how anyone fared when they marched on the Cossacks.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:14 pm to Bard
Muh Hitler. I'm shocked it took this long for some idiot to compare the events that took place in the 1930's to now.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:34 pm to Indefatigable
Read PrussiaGate https://prussiagate.substack.com/, Prussians we’re the corrupt elites historically.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:58 pm to bucknut
quote:
Muh Hitler. I'm shocked it took this long for some idiot to compare the events that took place in the 1930's to now.
Right, because things that happened in the past are... like... old and stuff.
Come back when you decide to add something more to the conversation than "nuh-uhhh".
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Thank you. I thought I stumbled into Stupidville. After the 2014 coup, Ukraine became the money laundering capitol of the world for the globalist scum ruling over us. They stole $10's of billions from that poor country via USAID, PEPFAR, IMF, etc., funds. Lots of evidence and witnesses they would love to see disappeared. What better way than a war, and to see Russia do it would have been an absolute delicious irony for these ghouls. 87% of the people in Crimea asked for and voted on a referendum allowing Russia to protect them from the ultranationalists militias coming out of Kiev. Russia didn't just take that land. The local civilians begged them for help. Americans are uninformed about Ukraine (understandably), and if you're believing what they tell you on da teeeveee, then you're wandering in the dark and it shows.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:06 pm to Katie Weddington
quote:
ultranationalists militias coming out of Kiev
Cossacks.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:29 pm to Bard
quote:
It's applying the lessons of history to see the warning signs of whether or not it may be repeating itself.
Putin does not = Hitler.
Russia does not = Germany.
Nonetheless, I applaud your analysis, even if I disagree with your assessment.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:31 pm to Bard
I see you read my post about this exact point over on the OT earlier today.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:22 pm to Katie Weddington
quote:
They stole $10's of billions from that poor country via USAID, PEPFAR, IMF, etc., funds.
They stole that money from U.S. taxpayers.
Page 4 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News