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Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:52 am to Havoc
He doesn’t have to release everything he’s doing.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:52 am to boosiebadazz
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a constitutional crisis
what "constitutional crisis" could occur?
if he gets impeached, that's part of the constitution
if he gets put on trial by the Senate, that's part of the constitution
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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for process crimes (for individuals)
Process crimes which involved lying about collusion / conspiracy between the campaign and Russia.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:54 am to BamaAtl
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understand that Trump broke the law
maybe
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and has been illegitimate since day 1.
nope. never. he won. he's legitimate
unless you can prove the trump campaign coordinatd with Russia to have illegal people voting for him or they hacked voting machines, he's legitimate and always will be
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:54 am to BamaAtl
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Process crimes which involved lying about collusion / conspiracy between the campaign and Russia.
yeah that's not evidence for your conspiracy theory
also, since you're so "law and order" now, you support the shootings of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, right?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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nope. never. he won. he's legitimate
He won with the direct help of a hostile foreign actor and through the commission of numerous felonies. Not legitimate.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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what "constitutional crisis" could occur?
Trump ignoring courts or ordering subordinates to ignore courts and subvert the rule of law
frick, he's flirting with pushing boundaries over this wall. All bets are off if he's threatened with being removed from power.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:56 am to BamaAtl
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He won with the direct help of a hostile foreign actor and through the commission of numerous felonies. Not legitimate.
cite me the constitutional article or caselaw that supports your position, please
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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cite me the constitutional article or caselaw that supports your position
So now we've moved to "the law doesn't explicitly state that you can't break the law to become President, so clearly it's ok"?
That's quite a leap, even for you.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:57 am to boosiebadazz
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frick, he's flirting with pushing boundaries over this wall.
i think even most DEMs believe that an emergency declaration would be 100% legal. i think it's their goal, actually
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All bets are off if he's threatened with being removed from power.
this same meme has been proliferated since W
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:57 am to BamaAtl
quote:Hillionaire paid for the Steele Dossier.
He won with the direct help of a hostile foreign actor and through the commission of numerous felonies. Not legitimate.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:57 am to boosiebadazz
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Trump ignoring courts or ordering subordinates to ignore courts and subvert the rule of law
Like threatening someone's family with prosecution if he testifies to Congress against Trump?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:58 am to BamaAtl
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So now we've moved to "the law doesn't explicitly state that you can't break the law to become President, so clearly it's ok"?
it's not about being OK
if he committed a crime, there is a process for that (a criminal prosecution)
if he acted in a way that deserves political rebuke, there is a process for that (impeachment and possibly removal)
you are claiming a legitimacy argument. where is that concept established? what is the process for determination?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:59 am to BamaAtl
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Except for federal indictments and charging documents related to criminal cases,
And proved Russian collusion in what way? Oh right, just perjury traps.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:59 am to UltimateSuperGenius
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Trump will be impeached
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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you are claiming a legitimacy argument. where is that concept established? what is the process for determination?
Indictment by the House and conviction by the Senate?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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you are claiming a legitimacy argument. where is that concept established?
If someone were elected President who a year into his term was found to not be eligible for the office, would you consider them legitimate and just an 'oops' we should move on from?
I don't mean illegitimate in that everything he's done should be reversed - that happened, there's no overturning Kavanaugh or whatever other crazy things I don't feel like citing out now point by point.
But rather, illegitimate in the sense that he committed crimes solely for the purpose of holding the office, and was aided by a complacent Republican Party who didn't care so long as they could accumulate more power. That's what the endgame of this needs to be - the destruction of the mindset that has let a political party ignore the law.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:02 am to boosiebadazz
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Indictment by the House and conviction by the Senate?
that's not a process for claiming illegitimacy
we didn't go invalidate all of Bill Clinton's actions as President after he got impeached
hell, we didn't do that for Nixon after he resigned
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:03 am to BamaAtl
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Process crimes which involved lying about collusion / conspiracy between the campaign and Russia.
Alan Dershowitz was just on your beloved CNN and said this has nothing to do with collusion and that there is no way for Mueller to prove these allegations against Stone. Basically said this is what prosecutors do when they can't get what they really want they serve process crimes to try and get people to talk.
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