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re: Sonic commercials very woke
Posted on 3/15/21 at 2:29 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 3/15/21 at 2:29 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I mean, for crying out loud, most people stream content where you can skip ads 5 seconds in Who are these people watching ad after ad all the way through and getting super involved in the racial composition of the characters?
Man, I don't know. It's not like we're going to see an ad with a wm/bw couple in it and then rush out to buy whatever product they're hocking either. "Holy crap, honey, they look like us! Let's go buy that piece of shite they're selling! Grab your coat, we'll leave right now."
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Posted on 3/15/21 at 3:11 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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"Holy crap, honey, they look like us! Let's go buy that piece of shite they're selling! Grab your coat, we'll leave right now."
I mean, idk about y'all, but that's how shite works at Casa de Tbird
IR-couple hawked products only. Because that's the status quo we like
This post was edited on 3/15/21 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 3/15/21 at 3:19 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I mean, idk about y'all, but that's how shite works at Casa de Tbird
You and saint laugh, but wasn't your point that this was simply a marketing thing? Now here you are laughing at the very concept of how effective it is?
I'll respond to your direct replies to me when I'm not at work fatfingering my phone.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 3:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
15 pages in and you still are either ignoring the point or don’t understand it
Posted on 3/15/21 at 3:33 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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What does all burglars being portrayed as white (objectively ridiculous) have to do with an increase in IR couples being portrayed (objectively unproblematic--by all our own words?)
Look, you're completely missing the point me and others are making, and instead attributing our point to something nefarious. What I and others see with these ads is an attempt by advertisers to "correct" my thinking to believe gay and interracial relationships are as commonplace as straight and intraracial relationships. which is not the reality. While they should be selling the their product, they've decided to take it upon themselves to blow smoke up my arse and I resent it. It has nothing to do interracial relationships or white burglars per se. There is also an obvious element of "white man bad" in these ads too, which I also resent. Just promote your product without the messaging. Is that too much to ask?
Posted on 3/15/21 at 3:47 pm to mightyMick
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Look, you're completely missing the point me and others are making, and instead attributing our point to something nefarious. What I and others see with these ads is an attempt by advertisers to "correct" my thinking to believe gay and interracial relationships are as commonplace as straight and intraracial relationships. which is not the reality. While they should be selling the their product, they've decided to take it upon themselves to blow smoke up my arse and I resent it. It has nothing to do interracial relationships or white burglars per se. There is also an obvious element of "white man bad" in these ads too, which I also resent. Just promote your product without the messaging. Is that too much to ask?
Dude, Sonic has been making adds with two white guys (not gay) and traditional families of the same race for decades. Now they make a couple of commercials with an interracial couple and you think it is an attempt to brainwash you?
This may not be an issue of race as opposed to paranoia.
Really there aren't that many interracial couples in commercials. But it seems like you (at least many of the posters in this thread) lump this in with gay couples, so the effect may seem to be perception. Do the strong female wives with goofy husbands also get lumped in? I mean, when it comes to household or cleaning products you should be able to see why they do that.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 3:50 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Like I said, I'm just a smuggie smelling my own farts
Posted on 3/15/21 at 3:57 pm to Azkiger
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wasn't your point that this was simply a marketing thing? Now here you are laughing at the very concept of how effective it is?
Sarcasm isn't your strong suit, is it?
We're saying it hasn't affected us either way
Two things can be true at once. It can be a marketing thing, yet still not be something that affects the buying habits of Saint or Tbird.Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:01 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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TigerOnTheMountain
I've addressed everything, and you know it. Excellent try, though. Good effort
Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:02 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I picked up on the sarcasm, that's the only way that point would work.
And if everyone were to be taken at their own word, marketing wouldn't work at all because virtually everyone thinks they're above it's influences.
And if everyone were to be taken at their own word, marketing wouldn't work at all because virtually everyone thinks they're above it's influences.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:21 pm to mightyMick
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Look, you're completely missing the point me and others are making, and instead attributing our point to something nefarious.
Y'all are the ones complaining about "too many" interracial couples in ads, not me.
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What I and others see with these ads is an attempt by advertisers to "correct" my thinking to believe gay and interracial relationships are as commonplace as straight and intraracial relationships. which is not the reality.
This is such an odd take. Putting aside the lumping together of gay with interracial couples for a second (two distinctly different unions, I'm sure we'll agree), my point is we've all agreed early on that interracial couples are not an issue for any of us. We all agree there, correct? When *I* say something like that, I truly mean it--seeing a white guy with a black girl doesn't really register for me any more than seeing a blonde haired white guy with a brunette white girl, or an extra tall black guy with an extra short black girl. See where I'm going with this? Y'all are focusing on superfluous features--in this case, skin tone. Does the left hyper focus on that? YES. Duh. But normal people (i.e., people well adjusted enough to not give a rip about stupid shite like skin color) aren't bothered by fictional characters in ads. Don't see ads as attempts to "correct" one's thinking.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Oops, except you did.:
That was more tongue in cheek, as all you did was assert that it was "preposterous". It just reminded me of an English chap with a monocle and mustache showing as much outrage as his polite society would allow. But point taken.
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I've literally (and painstakingly) addressed every point you've raised itt.
Clearly not, as you just now went on to actually demonstrate why static/dynamic pops make my comparison invalid.
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While gay rights activists experienced wild success in achieving representation, their market IS fixed. That's just the reality. If/once political expediency of featuring gay relationships prominently in ads wanes, the market will likely adjust to be more in line with the true buying power of the niche (which, to be fair, is actually higher than average, but that's a separate discussion). The difference with the interracial issue is that there is no real plateau that can be predicted. Definitely not in the short or medium term, anyway. Is it politically expedient now ON TOP of other factors? One could make that argument, but that doesn't change the reality of the marketplace experiencing seismic change. Gays have always been here at their present levels, for the most part. Interracial couples? Not so much. Biracial offspring? Not like what we're seeing now/will see in coming generations. That's the key difference that I've been trying to drive home.
And that's the argument I'm attmepting to make, but you're saying that the static vs dynamic differences between LGBTQ and racial/interracial couples doesn't allow it.
I'm pretty sure the first thing I told you in this thread that anything that doesn't address intersectionality is missing the mark. That's the only, at least in my opinion, proper criticism anyone could lob at this. Because as you've said, as saint has said, and as I've said, there's nothing wrong with interracial couples or their representation in media.
If "one could make that argument", surely I can, right?
EDIT: I went back and looked, that 'missing the mark' comment was what started our conversation. And the first sentence of my next post to you was this: "No doubt an increase in interracial dating/marriages should correlate with an increase in representation in media, but what we're seeing is more than just that." Maybe you missed understood my initial points?
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Why have such a strong opinion of interracial representation in ads if, as we all agree, IR relationships are not a cause for concern in the slightest?
For the same reason some are having concerns when GLAAD is now shooting for 20% of all TV characters be LGBTQ when they only make up 5% of the population and currently 10% of all TV characters.
While I don't think there is anything wrong with being gay, or even trans (just don't push it on kids, expect me to pay for surgeries, or start slinging your dong around my wife while she's in a women's gym lockerroom getting dressed to work out), I do think there's something wrong with too high of a percentage of TV characters being LGBTQ. While I cannot give you an exact percentage, I don't think it's outlandish to say that 4x representation screams woke culture.
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"Inappropriate" would be one-race only.
Ok, what about only one minority character each year, the other 99.999% is white?
Clearly that'd be an issue as well. The point I'm trying to make is virtually everyone will have an opinion on representation, we just have differing views on where the line is drawn.
Maybe you really would shrug your shoulders if no interracial couples were represented in media and go buy eggs and milk, but I don't think you'd be being this critical of people complaining online.
This post was edited on 3/15/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:31 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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You cannot say "I don't have a problem with interracial relationships, but I want to see less of them."
Isn't that pretty much the premise behind BET and the like?
You can be dishonest and frame it like "We don't mind whites, we just want to see less of them." when the creators of BET and the like are more likely closer to "We don't mind whites, we just want to see ourselves represented more than we currently are."
Why do you keep doing the former? EZ political points, that's why.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:35 pm to Azkiger
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I'll respond to your direct replies to me when I'm not at work fatfingering my phone.
Totally understand
I'm about to pick up my kids from daycare, so my responses are probably gonna drop off for now, but I'll check back later Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:40 pm to Azkiger
All of these leftists basically say "we want to see more of X and less of Y".
Then when someone else says "I'd like to see less of Y and more of X" it's suddenly implied the person is some type of a bigot.
This is the problem. Letting leftists frame the argument.
Then when someone else says "I'd like to see less of Y and more of X" it's suddenly implied the person is some type of a bigot.
This is the problem. Letting leftists frame the argument.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:44 pm to Azkiger
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Isn't that pretty much the premise behind BET and the like? You can be dishonest and frame it like "We don't mind whites, we just want to see less of them." when the creators of BET and the like are more likely closer to "We don't mind whites, we just want to see ourselves represented more than we currently are." Why do you keep doing the former? EZ political points, that's why.
I don't know, I've never watched BET. If I had to guess, I would say the premise behind BET is more like "We don't like whites, we want to see more of us." And that is completely forthright and out in the open. Is it racist? Maybe, who knows, how much white representation should be on BET? That's not something I've considered, I don't watch the channel. I don't wear FUBU either, not my thing.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 4:55 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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I don't know, I've never watched BET. If I had to guess, I would say the premise behind BET is more like "We don't like whites, we want to see more of us." And that is completely forthright and out in the open. Is it racist? Maybe, who knows, how much white representation should be on BET? That's not something I've considered, I don't watch the channel. I don't wear FUBU either, not my thing.
Maybe I'm just being too naive, and large portions of Americans are outright racist or at least are dance on the line, but I don't see it as a "we want to see less whites".
for being consistent though. I respectfully hope you're wrong on this.Posted on 3/15/21 at 5:02 pm to Azkiger
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for being consistent though. I respectfully hope you're wrong on this.
I very well could be wrong, I literally have never watched the channel, so I can't speak on it. Uhh, ask a black guy?
Posted on 3/15/21 at 5:16 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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I very well could be wrong, I literally have never watched the channel, so I can't speak on it. Uhh, ask a black guy?
Not about BET in particular, but about general race attitudes across the country. You seem to steer towards the worst assumptions and I don't. I hope you're wrong about that.
Posted on 3/15/21 at 5:37 pm to Esquire
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It's on page 6. That's the one after 5 and before 7 if you weren't sure.
Don't care what page it's on now. If you can't address what I posted, then frick off. I was not addressing your specific comment on page whatever when I posted what I posted.
So it's irrelevant.
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