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re: Teslas charging at a gas station...
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:23 pm to bungalow233b
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:23 pm to bungalow233b
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This, I worked in the Oil and Gas industry. New drill sites were subsidized. The EV credits are not hidden in financial reports by some slick accountants.
I don't understand the EV hate. You don't have to convert all your cars to EVs. We are buying a place that will make my commute 40mi each way. I currently drive an SUV, but I will be buying a Tesla once we make the move. We will keep the SUV for long drives and when we need space. The Tesla will pay for itself in the gas I will save, and I can charge at home and work, saving me time at the pump.
It will never pay for itself, but your right...the vast majority of people would be just fine with an EV for their day to day commute.
There are certain situations where they just aren’t practical. Yet anyway.
I will probably order a Hummer EV when the cheaper trucks become available
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:25 pm to JesusQuintana
I’d like to talk to Tesla’s designers of their truck.
I believe them to be similar to the Jaguars leadership when it comes to draft picks and free agency.
I believe them to be similar to the Jaguars leadership when it comes to draft picks and free agency.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:36 pm to bungalow233b
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but an electric motor is far more efficient than any combustion engin
The transmission losses even that out.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:39 pm to JesusQuintana
I would get on of these LINK but I’m waiting for the first batch to come out to see how reliable they are.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:39 pm to bungalow233b
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My point was that if you take long road trips often, don't get an EV. For most people, like me, that have the same drive everyday, it makes sense. You don't have to go to one extreme or the other.
I'll never get an EV simply because I can stop at a gas station, fill up with gas and be back on the road in like 10 min or less
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:43 pm to bopper50
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I will resist electric cars for as long as possible.
I see you want to continue to prop up communist and just all around evil governments like Russia, Saudi Arabia and China as long as possible.
I for one can’t wait to cut off their tax/extortion revenue lines.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:53 pm to OchoDedos
Say what you want, but Tesla's are fun to drive and will absolutely leave any muscle car in the dust. I don't care about the eco factor
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:08 pm to bungalow233b
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I would get on of these LINK , but I’m waiting for the first batch to come out to see how reliable they are.
I hate the styling on those. I do a fair amount of off-roading/over landing now and the Hummer is going to be unmatched in that arena.
It’s also going to cost me about twice as much as my ZR2, but I’m a car guy...I’ve always went for the cool factor
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:14 pm to Tesla
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Unless it’s a GM.
Don’t forget Chrysler.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:20 pm to Flats
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No, they're just direct subsidies to the companies that sell to consumers.
I don't like any of it, but you sound like you're blaming people who buy Teslas. They didn't put the subsidies in place any more than you did. It's like someone who lives in an apartment bitching about your mortgage interest deduction; it's there for them too.
Nah, I don't blame people for buying a Tesla. In many situations, a Tesla or other EV may be just fine for someone's needs. That's the beauty of the marketplace.
Just don't like the government trying to pervert the incentives in the marketplace to steer consumers one way or the other when it comes to automobiles.
Deductions are not subsidies. Tax deductions are a recognition of economic reality - that there are costs to running a business and the goal of the tax code was to tax the net income of a business, not the gross revenues.
A subtle but distinct difference from a credit, many of which were enacted to incentivize certain behavior.
Admittedly, the line between the two gets a little blurred, but I've seen so many fricking idiots writing about subsidies, deductions and credits, and getting them ALL WRONG that you never know what the author's intent was except to bitch about something he or she doesn't understand.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:23 pm to BiteMe2020
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Deductions are not subsidies.
It doesn't matter; Ford was just one example. If you've ever had ethanol in your car you've consumed a subsidized product. I don't like them either but we all consume subsidized products, willingly or not.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:29 pm to bungalow233b
We're an petroleum exporter.
Assuming the Democrats aren't in power.
Assuming the Democrats aren't in power.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:32 pm to burke985
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I'll never get an EV simply because I can stop at a gas station, fill up with gas and be back on the road in like 10 min or less
You can leave your house everyday with a full charge...
This thread is pure Louisiana. Denying what is already happening and being 10 years behind everybody
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:42 pm to jmarto1
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You can leave your house everyday with a full charge...
Do they charge on 110v and a 100ft extension cord?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:45 pm to GumboPot
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If you start running more vehicles on electricity, you are going to have to build more power plants to convert fossil fuels to electricity.
Yes, no doubt.
The argument from the environmental side is the CO2 produced from fossil fuel plants can be captured whereas it's not captured at each automobile.
Not necessarily true. The existing plants may run closer to 100% capacity 24 hours a day. Electric cars will mostly charge at night, when there is more capacity. And if your car is on a charger, idle in your garage during the day, it's technically possible for the battery in your car to return power to the grid during peak demand, lessening the need for "peaker" plants. Perhaps when there are tens and tens of millions of electric cars on the road, there will be a need for more plants, but oddly enough, it will be to keep up with the demand as they charge at night.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:46 pm to jmarto1
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You can leave your house everyday with a full charge...
Everyone has a garage?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:47 pm to BiteMe2020
To the tune of about 3 miles of range per hour
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:48 pm to Lima Whiskey
You're dealing in absolutes to try to prove a point?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:49 pm to jmarto1
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You can leave your house everyday with a full charge...
This thread is pure Louisiana. Denying what is already happening and being 10 years behind everybody
No, this is me using common sense. What happens if a storm roll through in middle of night and you lose power for hours. The gasoline in my tank don't need to be recharged. The house chargers need like 10 hrs or more of charge time to be fully charged. I don't even sleep 6 hours a night what makes you think imma want a DD to sit in my garage for 10+ hours to ensure I don't get stuck on side the road.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:50 pm to Lima Whiskey
Never said we weren’t, but the oil price is not regional. More EVs less demand for oil and the prices follow.
88.7% and 71.2% of total exports for Saudi Arabia and Russia respectively. They depend on oil. There is a reason Saudi Arabia and Russia are trying to diversify their economies. Then know that is their weakness.
88.7% and 71.2% of total exports for Saudi Arabia and Russia respectively. They depend on oil. There is a reason Saudi Arabia and Russia are trying to diversify their economies. Then know that is their weakness.
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