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re: The evangelical right is also melting
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:23 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:23 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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2016: 26%
2012: 26%
2008: 26%
I see it now.
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:25 am to imjustafatkid
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Absolutely not. Have you seen the Supreme Court short list?
That's great for single issue voters. Those with a reasonable intellect typically are not.
Trump's behavior, ideals, and most of his stated positions do not align.
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You may believe this, but I would say that has more to do with Hillary than the Republican Party.
All you need to do is look at policies and platforms, then correlate those with the numbers. It's not a difficult determination to make.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:28 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's great for single issue voters. Those with a reasonable intellect typically are not.
I see. You think the Supreme Court deals with only a single issue. Good luck to you.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:30 am to imjustafatkid
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Let the Republican Party move away from Christian ideals, as you seem to be calling for, and you will be proven to be in
What are Christian ideals in a political sense and why do they deal with collective morality?
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What are Christian ideals in a political sense and why do they deal with collective morality?
I would say it has more to do with religious freedom than anything else. It has been clear over the past 8 years how the Democrats think about it.
ETA: Abortion is also a big deal, but I don't consider that a religious issue really. It's just hard to have a Christian mindset and agree with it.
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:32 am to imjustafatkid
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You think the Supreme Court deals with only a single issue.
Is that what I said? (It isn't)
Trump's appointments are a single issue. You can pretend to know how anyone he appoints will rule if you like.
More relevant, I'd have to say it's quite a powerful statement if you want to say evangelicals voted for Trump solely because of his nominees while dismissing everything else.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:34 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'd have to say it's quite a powerful statement if you want to say evangelicals voted for Trump solely because of his nominees while dismissing everything else.
I did not vote for him as a man. I voted for his platform. His Supreme Court nominees were a large part of that. I'm sure it was a big deal for many people since we have a seat to fill right now. Given the amount of power the Supreme Court has taken as of late, I'm confused by how you don't think this is a big deal.
ETA: What parts of the platform do you think are inconsistent with Christian ideals? I certainly don't agree with everything he wants to do, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything I agreed with Hillary on.
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:36 am to imjustafatkid
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I voted for his platform.
Exactly, which includes many positions that don't fit with evangelical beliefs.
*edit*
Let me know when you're done editing so I can give a proper reply.
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:38 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Exactly, which includes many positions that don't fit with evangelical beliefs.
Such as?
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:42 am to imjustafatkid
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I would say it has more to do with religious freedom than anything else
I agree, and it should stay there. It really shouldn't extend to enforcing values on anyone
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:43 am to imjustafatkid
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I would say it has more to do with religious freedom than anything else.
Social conservatives on the Court are no better when it comes to religious freedom. Their majority decisions in Employment Division vs. Smith and City of Boerne vs. Flores are proof of that.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I agree, and it should stay there. It really shouldn't extend to enforcing values on anyone
I'm not an advocate of enforcing values on anyone.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:45 am to imjustafatkid
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Such as?
Before the election, or after?
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:52 am to gamatt53
You people need to figure some shite out.
Just because you think Trump was the lesser of two evils, doesn't suddenly make him a saint now that the man you voted for won. He's still evil, just the lesser evil.
The preacher man makes good points
Just because you think Trump was the lesser of two evils, doesn't suddenly make him a saint now that the man you voted for won. He's still evil, just the lesser evil.
The preacher man makes good points
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:01 am to SCLibertarian
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Employment Division vs. Smith
Sandra Day O'Conner concurred with this decision...
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City of Boerne vs. Flores
I thought Anthony Kennedy was considered more of a centrist judge.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:02 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Just because you think Trump was the lesser of two evils, doesn't suddenly make him a saint now that the man you voted for won.
No one is a saint.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:03 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Before the election, or after?
Well, obviously before. I just want to know what you think is inconsistent with what I believe.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:03 am to imjustafatkid
O'Connor was generally a conservative justice. Kennedy is a swing vote and always has been.
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:05 am to SCLibertarian
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O'Connor was generally a conservative justice.
My mistake. I was thinking of someone else. Regardless, I don't really disagree with the result of that case. Why take a job that drug tests if you know you're going to be doing peyote in your religious services? I would think differently if they told the employer and were then hired anyway.
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Kennedy is a swing vote and always has been.
OK, then I'm not sure what your issue is with him.
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:07 am to imjustafatkid
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I just want to know what you think is inconsistent with what I believe.
I don't know exactly what you believe.
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