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re: The Truth About Ahmaud Arbery
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:11 pm to xGeauxLSUx
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:11 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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We have no proof at this time that he did or did not commit a felony.
Also known as "presumption of innocence".
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:12 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:But it is illegal to commit a felony while attempting to make a (probably illegal) citizen's arrest.
Naw, it isn’t illegal to make a citizens arrest
quote:It's not illegal to try this, but last I checked, this is America and I don't have to do a damned thing you say.
or stop him for questioning.
quote:Where the McMichaels went wrong was when they decided to arm themselves and force a conflict with another person.
Where the guy went wrong is approaching/attacking people with guns and getting into a scuffle with man with gun... not smart, and he lost his life for that dumb decision.
quote:100% chance they go to prison, specifically for murder.
0% chance these guys go to prison for this.
quote:Irrelevant?! This is what the whole case revolves around! Citizen's arrest laws were NOT written to encourage posses of armed vigilantes. And that's why these laws are typically applied VERY selectively. So that people don't start to think they can get away with forcing people to do shite using deadly weapons.
I’m not saying I necessarily agree with following a suspected burglar around the neighborhood with guns...but again that’s kind of irrelevant as it’s not illegal to begin with.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:13 pm to JPLSU1981
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whether they were ethically right or wrong in trying to apprehend/follow him is irrelevant as that isn’t illegal.
Lol you’re up to speed except for those pesky laws I guess.
Also they are already in jail. No bail.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:13 pm to the808bass
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We have a pretty good idea. The McMichaels do not indicate they had seen him commit a felony when they tried to justify their actions. The homeowner said that Arbery only trespassed. The police said that his actions in the new construction were a misdemeanor. It would have been really dumb for the McMichaels to not tell criminal behavior that they saw.
Yea but you have to just not consider those facts to have any logical reason to attempt to justify such an egregious homicide, so its easier to just not Consider the facts so you can determine Mcmichaels was justified.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:14 pm to AMS
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I mean if you ignore mcmichaels statement to police following the homicide you may be right. According to mcmichaels he decided to confront arbery because it looked suspicious he was running given the recent history of break ins in the area. Surely he would have told police he knew about his knowledge of current felony if he was aware of it, considering his long history in law enforecement. Otherwise he lied to police at the time, which opens a whole new can of worms for his defense.
Given the fact that there was minutes between the alleged trespassing (which still doesnt justify a citizens arrest as its a misdemeanor) theres a near 0% chance he saw the video of it
There you go again using McMicheal's own words and facts over conjecture.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:15 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:If you were convinced by that complete misrepresentation of what happened, and of the law and how it is applied, that this well-known racist has put together for his cult, then there's no hope for you.
Know how I know you haven’t watched the video?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:15 pm to xGeauxLSUx
Even if it were beneficial to them in the initial question of whether that would even count as "within immediate knowledge," how could father and son possibly have been able to view any footage of the active situation in which they were purportedly responding to? This was all happening in real time....the video footage was only able to be viewed completely after the fact.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:16 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:Did they observe a felony being committed? No.
Incorrect
Did they have direct knowledge of a felony being committed? No.
Those are the two elements necessary.
They began armed pursuit because of previous crimes committed in the area and because Arbery was running. This is from their own statement.
Seriously, read up on what happened before you enter into this discussion.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:16 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:
The 911 call From a 3rd-party reporting a possible felony in progress by the deceased disagrees with you.
Know how I know you haven't read the law?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:17 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:The police report is for criminal trespassing. A misdemeanor.
possible felony
Damn dude. Just stop.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:19 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
The police report is for criminal trespassing. A misdemeanor.
Damn dude. Just stop.
Never underestimate the tenacity of an idiot.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:22 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:These details will be ironed out in the trial. But there is still the pesky fact that none of the accusations toward the deceased, even if all true and they somehow had direct knowledge of them, give the McMichaels the right to commit aggravated assault, and also kill someone while in the process of committing that felony.
We have no proof at this time that he did or did not commit a felony. There is footage that continues to come out but we are not seeing the complete footage. Also, we do not know, as of now, if the McMichael's saw the footage.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:22 pm to AMS
quote:I am stunned by what I am reading by individuals who claim to be law abiding citizens who do not realize that the actions of the McMichaels jeopardize their own freedoms.
Never underestimate the tenacity of an idiot.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:28 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:
The 911 call From a 3rd-party reporting a possible felony in progress by the deceased disagrees with you.
It would if that was what had happened. "Trespassing" is not a felony.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:30 pm to Korkstand
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Also, we do not know, as of now, if the McMichael's saw the footage.
We know they didn’t see the footage of the trespass that occurred on the day of the incident. We know that for a fact.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:31 pm to Korkstand
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a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
I didn’t write the law, FWIW.
I understand the debate over whether or not the law should be changed...maybe it should.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:32 pm to Wolfhound45
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I am stunned by what I am reading by individuals who claim to be law abiding citizens who do not realize that the actions of the McMichaels jeopardize their own freedoms.
It’s pretty terrifying that so many idiots are trying to justify their actions over potential misdemeanor trespassing which they had no direct/immediate knowledge of occurring.
Imagine tater tot sees you with an open container (misdemeanor) so he decides to pull a gun on you and kills you when you defend yourself from the insane encounter...but damn it tater tot was just defending himself.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:33 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:
JPLSU1981
Quote the entire law next time, cnn
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:34 pm to AMS
Who is tater tot?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:34 pm to AMS
quote:
potential misdemeanor trespassing
No reasonable person would assume “misdemeanor trespassing” when a strange person is entering a house in a neighborhood that has had at least one felony burglary in the recent months.
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