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re: This Extended Unemployment and Labor Force Shortage
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:15 am to Damone
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:15 am to Damone
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I fail to see a problem with workers having access to jobs with higher wages.
If wages are artificially inflated due to rent moratoriums, stimulus payments, extended unemployment benefits, and other COVID based welfare giveaways that incent people not to work, you should have a VERY big problem with it. We all saw how wonderfully things went when government tried to manipulate housing markets.
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:21 am to Muthsera
quote:Typical absurd response. At no point am I (or anyone) pushing for child labor or unsafe working conditions.
Just like all the children clamoring to go down the coal shaft back in 1899, right?
Setting an alarm clock for 4:30am for a 19 year-old high school dropout with face tattoos is NOT a hazard.
A government that pays unskilled labor to NOT fill the jobs that a society requires IS a problem. All the nonsense you justify it with won't change the facts.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:21 am to lsu2006
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Maybe if these employers want to keep their employees they should learn how to compete and be flexible to market factors.
Flexible market factors like their primary competitor has somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 million people, not to mention every business, sending them truckloads of money, even though they don't produce a damn thing? Those kinds of market factors?
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IF you want to call it "laziness" when someone decides it makes more sense to stay home and get paid
I do, and it is absolutely that simple. What's more, it is unsustainable, destructive to the country, and unfair to the people who actually go out and produce the money that these people conveniently decide to sit on their asses and take.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:22 am to JPinLondon
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Your way of thinking is what dooms a society. The fact that you think it is government's place to compete with businesses to keep unskilled labor AWAY from the workforce is beyond moronic.
No. Corporate greed through globalization, de-regulation, austerity, spreading our empire too thin and out-sourcing/automation of labor will doom our society. We abandoned the middle and working class decades ago and it is our slow-moving undoing. It's right there for you to see if you just open your eyes. That you think it's some kind of evil to actually pay workers fair wages is pretty cute though.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:27 am to No Colors
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Sanderson Farms is paying $18 an hour for chicken catchers.
Chicken catchers always made good money in my neck of the woods as far as farm labor goes . The problem with the majority of them was not ingesting their entire paycheck in one night. The select few who didn’t use dope had a little jingle in their pockets.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:28 am to troyt37
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When you're done with that, tell the class why you don't already voluntarily pay $27 for that Big Mac and fries, if you think it's such a damn brilliant idea.
This makes no sense, why would I voluntarily pay more for something than necessary? Does McDonald's need charity?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:28 am to Damone
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Does McDonald's need charity?
No, the extra will be pocketed by the guy serving your big mac.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:29 am to JPinLondon
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A government that pays unskilled labor to NOT fill the jobs that a society requires IS a problem. All the nonsense you justify it with won't change the facts.
How many people do you know on unemployment? I don't know a single one. The unemployment rate in Tennessee where I live is 5%.
Fast food is desperate for workers.
Retail is desperate for workers.
Daycares are desperate for workers.
All at a level I've never seen before in my life.
What do these all have in common? Shitty jobs, shitty hours, shitty pay.
I've lost 12 people, mostly great workers, in the last month. Covid kicked a lot of people in the arse and gave them a wake up call to get better jobs (including me, been looking for months for something that better meets my needs).
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:30 am to anc
Only going to get worse and has been predicted for decades (but is exacerbated by govt crap). We are seeing the impact of boomer retirement on the labor market in addition to the unemployment/govt handouts
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:30 am to Bulldogblitz
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No, the extra will be pocketed by the guy serving your big mac.
I'd gladly pay a little more for a product with the knowledge that the difference was going toward better employee salaries/benefits.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:47 am to Damone
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This makes no sense, why would I voluntarily pay more for something than necessary? Does McDonald's need charity?
? Because it provides workers access to jobs with higher wages. I thought you supported that? If everyone who thinks like you just voluntarily started paying the prices that you want everyone to pay, then you should be happy, because you are paying what you should, businesses can continue to provide jobs for unskilled labor, maybe even afford to hire more unskilled labor, and all is right with the world. Right? So just start voluntarily paying $10.00 per gallon of gas, $5.00 for a loaf of bread, $15.00 for a gallon of milk, etc. problem solved. Tell you what, let's make it easy. Just triple the price of everything you buy. Be part of the solution Damone.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:49 am to Damone
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I'd gladly pay a little more for a product with the knowledge that the difference was going toward better employee salaries/benefits
So, circle back to the question...why aren't you already paying $27 for your big mac?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:54 am to Bulldogblitz
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So, circle back to the question...why aren't you already paying $27 for your big mac?
Who will think of the multi-billion dollar international corporations in these trying times???
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:56 am to Damone
what do you consider a little more?
Why are you capping the dollar amount now?
Why are you capping the dollar amount now?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:56 am to lsu2006
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Who will think of the multi-billion dollar international corporations in these trying times???
Who do you work for? How many jobs are you providing?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:57 am to Muthsera
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How many people do you know on unemployment? I don't know a single one. The unemployment rate in Tennessee where I live is 5%.
Size of the labor force was 165 million pre covid. March 2021 the size of the labor force was 160 million. So according to govt stats we have 5 million currently sitting out.
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:57 am to troyt37
You seem really mad about the prospect of people maybe earning a little more money per hour.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:02 am to Bulldogblitz
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So, circle back to the question...why aren't you already paying $27 for your big mac?
Probably because that's not what a Big Mac costs. He's already said he has no problem paying a little more for a product knowing the employees making and serving that product are treated right, and I agree with him.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:03 am to Damone
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You seem really mad about the prospect of people maybe earning a little more money per hour.
Neoconservatives and neolibs need this dynamic. They need to be able to bark at, control and look down on service industry types. It gives them a semblance of power in an otherwise powerless and meaningless existence. If they're happy at their jobs and are paid right, how will I feel powerful??
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:04 am to frogtown
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Size of the labor force was 165 million pre covid. March 2021 the size of the labor force was 160 million. So according to govt stats we have 5 million currently sitting out.
Or they retired.
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