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re: Trump orders release of Epstein documents
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:20 am to tigerinthebueche
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:20 am to tigerinthebueche
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And if there is nothing in the files all the people bitching the last two weeks will
Still bitch because “muh missing info” or “muh cover up”.
The simpletons who are so invested in this will never be satisfied.
People have taken various info, some shaky at best, and concocted a worst case scenario in their head and won't believe anything different.
For example, Epstein could have killed himself in his jail but also guilty of sex trafficking. But no, it could never have happened that way.
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:22 am to Vacherie Saint
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Panicans and and dems will not be satisfied, and accusations of hiding and destroying evidence will dominate this forum
Other than your bad descriptors, this has been the reason the administration doesn't want to release it
They created a conspiracy theory where the reality will never satisfy the rabid base
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:22 am to msutiger
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It doesn’t take a ton of research to find literal mountains of circumstantial evidence that tell you something funky is going on there. One or two pieces of circumstantial evidence, sure. But hundreds?
People with connections get off of crimes.
Its not some far fetched idea.
But it also doesn't mean the Jews control the world.
There is Epstein is bad guy and then there is crazy conspiracies.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 9:23 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:34 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Oh you’re just talking about this silly board?
Never mind. Carry on.
Gotta remember who you’re talking to.
This “silly board” is pretty much his whole life.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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They created a conspiracy theory where the reality will never satisfy the rabid base
To a degree, I agree with this point. We have seen it with UFO conspiracies, JFK, etc. However, we have to and should concede points to the CT when it is appropriate.
I'll ask you, Jake, if you think there is anything at all to this?
College drop out
Advised Bronfman still in his 20s
Connections to Maxwell (the father), also in his 20s or early 30s
Wexner
Yes, circumstantial, but there is at least parts of trout in this milk. Once he got rich, sure, that explains rubbing elbows with Gates, Trump, Prince Andrew, etc. But before that - if such an unqualified, reprehensible individual character can rise to such heights without some unseen hand, what does that say about the culture of Wall Street?
And we just assume away his de facto father-in-law being one of the top international assets of Mossad in the 20th Century? That his top pimp/madam likely the same connections to Israeli intelligence? That he was likely involved in moving at least some of the money involved in Iran-Contra? That his first big whale investor (Bronfman) had not one, but two daughters involved in the NXIVM/DOS sex cult?
Just strange coincidences? I get that these connections aren't definitive evidence of specific wrongdoing by specific people, but the only alternative explanation to this point is, "Epstein was a creep. He was the only customer. Maxwell was the procurer. The victims were only abused by Epstein."
I mean, maybe, but that seems awfully convenient for Epstein's very powerful associates and confidantes...
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:42 am to Vacherie Saint
I think you're right in that it will be underwhelming and just lead to more questions. But, it will give Trump somewhat of an out to say he did what he could.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 9:42 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:48 am to cajuntiger1010
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:49 am to Bunk Moreland
Just my prediction, but I think it’ll be some minimal token information to placate the straggling sheep. It’s like the tariff thing. Lots of big noise, but not much substance.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:53 am to HVAU
my question to everybody is, even if these files do exist that would expose crime and corruption, why do we believe Trump's admin would have access to them? Why would the corrupt arse FBI have those lying around for Trump's crew to peruse when they walked in the door this year?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:59 am to TankBoys32
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even if these files do exist
If? You think that the CIA and FBI didn't have huge files on Epstein and known associates?
Epstein was a criminal tied to international sex trafficking with connections to influential people in multiple countries.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:01 am to Tigahs24Seven
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.the dumb arse dems had to call for it, so it didn't look like political retrobution on his part.
This is so dumb. Why would it be "political retribution"? Are you assuming all the names on this list are DEMs or something? Why?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, I don't understand why we needed the binder fiasco; Bongino and possibly Kash threatening to quit; major heat about Bondi, then Trump saying SHE'S GREAT; and probably a handful of other things I am missing to get to this point. The two king deep state wreckers are in place at FBI. Bondi is Trump's pick to do what he wants.
It's not always 88D MAGA chess.
It's not always 88D MAGA chess.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:05 am to Ace Midnight
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if such an unqualified, reprehensible individual character can rise to such heights without some unseen hand, what does that say about the culture of Wall Street?
Wall Street in the 80s and 90s? When was this toxic culture ever in dispute? Many movies were made about this. Hell, even American Psycho set its satire in this culture for obvious reasons.
People who are good at math/finance and have no morals can make a ton of money on Wall Street. It's always been that way.
Does this eliminate the option that he got this "in" via some intel agency? No. But how his story unfolded certainly doesn't require it.
And this is all somewhat besides the point I was making anyway.
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That he was likely involved in moving at least some of the money involved in Iran-Contra?
Again, good at math/finance with no morals.
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That his first big whale investor (Bronfman) had not one, but two daughters involved in the NXIVM/DOS sex cult?
And here is where you're dot connecting a literal irrelevant point. It hurts your argument severely.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:07 am to Tigers0918
Being on a "list" is not breaking the law. Where is the recorded evidence that was scooped up? There is the hard evidence. Where is the testimony of underage victims? There is evidence
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 10:09 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:07 am to Bunk Moreland
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Yeah, I don't understand why we needed the binder fiasco; Bongino and possibly Kash threatening to quit; major heat about Bondi, then Trump saying SHE'S GREAT; and probably a handful of other things I am missing to get to this point. The two king deep state wreckers are in place at FBI. Bondi is Trump's pick to do what he wants.
It's not always 88D MAGA chess.
This whole "oMg he bAiTeD tHe DeMs" thing is possibly the literal dumbest MAGA shite ever, which is impressive.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:11 am to Tigers0918
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you act like Democrats don't want this.
You mother frickers support trans strippers reading books to kids.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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And here is where you're dot connecting a literal irrelevant point.
Well, I think the onus would be on the person (I'm standing in for that person here) to make that connection to complete the triangle, sure, but I find it very strange that a similar individual (Rainiere) a similarly shadowy person running a human trafficking operation disguised as a combo self-help/networking education service (again, not wholly unlike Scientology in some ways and certainly influenced by it) and that operation snags not 1 but 2 daughters of Epstein's earliest known billionaire whale investor.
You say it's "irrelevant" and I say, "That's weird. That sort of thing shouldn't happen." It's like all the folks in the Clintons' various circles that end up "not alive" under mysterious circumstances. Coincidence? Certainly could be. Irrelevant? I'm not so sure.
(ETA: And I was in the intelligence community, a lifetime ago and at a very low level and I find all of this to be bizarre and perplexing - either way - if it wasn't an intelligence operation, why does it look like one and if it was, why wasn't it run more professionally and quietly - it's a paradox.)
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 10:14 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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When the list is underwhelming (like the WSJ hit piece, "Phase 1", the Maxwell trial, etc.) they'll just claim he's part of the coverup again.
This isn’t an ah ha or gotcha question. I’m genuinely interested in what you think the whole Epstein/Maxwell situation is. Who started it? Was it government affiliated? Is there actually a list? What if there is not?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:22 am to mmcgrath
Okay and if they do then again why would their corrupt asses give Trump's crew anything that would expose Epstein as an intelligence agent or implicate any of the agencies or politicians/people in power.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:22 am to Ace Midnight
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but I find it very strange that a similar individual (Rainiere) a similarly shadowy person running a human trafficking operation disguised as a combo self-help/networking education service (again, not wholly unlike Scientology in some ways and certainly influenced by it)
That's the thing. He was running a cult, which is nothing like the Epstein stuff. We have countless examples of similar cults where sex was a major part, even many involving young women down to children. But that's simply nothing like what was involved in Epstein.
Epstein paid young, impressionable, and sometimes abused/broken teen girls for sexual acts. The only overlapping variable is the sex.
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and if it was, why wasn't it run more professionally and quietly - it's a paradox
This + Maxwell being not only alive, but incarcerated, is a major issue (as I stated a couple pages back).
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