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Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:22 pm to FluffyBunnyFeet
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Damn near every hispanic I interact with is MAGA as frick.
You think maybe there's some selection bias going on there?
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You're just as bad as the democrats with that shite
The Democrats are political realists and dominate political idealists who like to pretend that identity politics isn't important when it reality it's of primary importance to minorities.
And when I say minorities I'm not referring to any American ethnic minority but to minorities in general.
Ask the Uyghurs or the Kurds how important ideals like conservatism and liberalism are when you're a minority.
White people on our side are largely blind to this, to our own peril.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:23 pm to Trauma14
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If a republican president gives refugee status to millions of Mexicans, they very well may start voting red. They already share many religious and conservative values as republicans.
This is what Ronald thought when he signed that bullshite amnesty giveaway that gave California to the democrats forever.
No dude, those illegal aliens are coming here for our absurdly generous social welfare and to make more anchor babies.
They are not the best and brightest from their original countries.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:27 pm to Jjdoc
I say this with considerable trepidation, but legalizing drugs would inflict more damage on the cartels ever would. It's difficult to assess the damage the cartels cause against the increased costs of drug abuse caused by legalization, but we know how to take their market away.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:41 pm to Jcorye1
Smuggled?
Why the living frick do they need to smuggle? I can buy that shite whenever I wish
ETA you think liquor is why gangs get so big? FOR REAALL?!!!!
Why the living frick do they need to smuggle? I can buy that shite whenever I wish
ETA you think liquor is why gangs get so big? FOR REAALL?
!!!! This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:33 pm to Covingtontiger77
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What exactly does this mean?
It is spouted as a talking point with regard to every shithole country whose people live in abject poverty or are overrun with corruption and drugs.
No, it is what is necessary. When people can provide for themselves and their families they don't turn to the cartels. You know what Mexican state has the smallest cartel influence? Querétaro. You know what is there? A shite ton of manufacturing and middle class jobs.
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Didn’t we already provide Mexico with economic opportunity via NAFTA
Illegal immigration spiked after NAFTA so what does that tell you about how effective it was?
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Your post is typical la land liberal thinking- all people need is a chance. Bull shite we have tried that to the detriment of our own people.
This is just emotional drivel.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:40 pm to Jjdoc
#EndEndlessWars...nothing says it like getting involved in another civil war.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:44 pm to DeltaDoc
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I hope not. We start war in Mexico and instantly mass produce legitimate refugees. That turns Texas blue forever in a couple of years.
"turns Texas blue forever in a couple of years"
EXACTLY what will happen if Trump does nothing. also... along with the rest of the Western states.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:44 pm to kingbob
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Yeah, because if people actually had choices of what to buy, they wouldn’t buy fentanyl. The issue is junkies are wanting to buy heroin, but due to the way our government prosecutes drug traffickers, those sellers are adding fentanyl so that they can carry more doses in less volume, which means lower sentences if caught. No one wants fentanyl. They’re trying to buy heroin and getting small quantities of fentanyl mixed in that’s killing them. Dead customers aren’t repeat customers, but you have no customers if you’re in prison.
I say we trust people to make decisions for themselves. We address dependency and addiction at its source, treating it like the medical problem it is (usually resulting from taking legally prescribed drugs that proved to be habit-forming), and let the free market destroy the black market
As shown, the black market is not going anywhere even in places you said they were.
Now you want people to be ok with zero limits on anything. Where is the line drawn?
Second, no, I don't trust kids to make decisions for themselves. Just like I don't trust them to vote at the age of 16. That's absurd.
Drug dealers don't just target grown people. They target kids and teens.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:45 pm to BlackAdam
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Eliminating the cartels will create a power vacuum that will be filled by other cartels or small time warlords fighting for the remnants of the cartel riches.
1. Deal with future problems in the future. Lets focus on fixing the present problems first.
2. Just like we did with ISIS in Iraq. US troops mainly SOFs, went in and assisted the Iraqi army and other groups that were allied with the Iraqi government and evicted ISIS from Iraqi territory and then we turned it back over to the Iraqi government. We do the same thing in Mexico just instead of terrorists its drug dealers.
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There is no need to launch a destabilizing military strike right across our border. We have seen this fail all over the world. We do not need to spend a trillion dollars rebuilding Mexico.
How would we be destabilizing Mexico? MEXICO IS ALREADY DESTABILIZED AS A COUNTRY CAN GET WITHOUT COLLAPSING! The Mexican government admits that it has lost control of basically everything outside of Mexico CIty and it also admits that cartels control 80% of the territory on the Mexican side of the border ( LINK). We would be helping the government of Mexico regain control of territories on its border that it currently does not have control of. That would be stabilizing Mexico not destabilizing it.
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We need to work with the Mexican government to create economic opportunity there.
Yeah we have have tried that for the past 25 years and look how that has worked out?
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We need to secure our own border
Agree 100% but that is impossible to do when the cartels control the Mexican side of the border. Building a wall and reforming our immigration system is a good start and desperately needed, but until Mexico regains control of its side of the border it is just bandaid solution.
Also it would probably be easier to get Congress to authorize an invasion of Mexico than to authorize building the wall or reforming the immigration system.
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reform our immigration processes so the best people can get here quickly and easily.
This is not about people coming in or out of the country.
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If you want to strip power from the Cartels the way to do it is to legalize drugs.
Man will walk on Mars before drugs are legalized. It is a good idea and I support it 100%, but it will not happen in the foreseeable future.
Mexico has lost control of its side of the border and it does not have the military to regain control. We have the military strength and we have it close by. Seal teams 1, 3, 5, and 7 are literally based < 15 miles from the border at the naval amphibious base at Coronado, the Marines are less than 60 miles away at Camp Pendleton, the Army's 1st armored division is less than 5 miles away at Fort Bliss, and the Army's 1st and 3rd calvary divisions are at Fort Hood which is less than 300 miles away from the border.
Bottom line is that if and only if the Mexican government asks us for help then when should no hesitate to go in and kick arse.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:55 pm to mahdragonz
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President bonespur
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:56 pm to cwill
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involved in another civil war
Umm, cartels aren't a "civil war" problem.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 3:29 pm to Chemcorp158
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Why? I would think that staying out of wars that are not even in the same hemisphere while worrying about things that are is a good thing. Poppies in Afghanistan should be a whole lot less important than cartels murdering US citizens in border towns. Unrest in Venezuela is much more important than unrest in the Balkans.
This. I care about the Western Hemisphere and noting else.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 3:36 pm to DeltaDoc
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I hope not. We start war in Mexico and instantly mass produce legitimate refugees. That turns Texas blue forever in a couple of years.
POTUS is playing this chess move in a clever manner. He knows very well that Mexico will turn down his offer.
He knows that the Dems will turn down his request out of reflexive principle since Trump suggested it.
With that outcome, his next statement will be, if you won't let me send troops, I have no choice but to build a wall through this emergency measure.
done.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 3:42 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Umm, cartels aren't a "civil war" problem.
You don't think what's going on in Mexico is akin to a civil war? There are factions competing with the government and among themselves for control of the state or portions thereof.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 3:47 pm to Jjdoc
Exactly, and legal retailers ask for ID’s. That’s why it’s 1000 times easier for teens to buy weed and adderall than it is for them to get booze, but they still do, because prohibition doesn’t work. If there is demand, there will always be supply. The best you can do is try to make sure the supply is relatively safe to obtain and use.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 3:54 pm to Wtodd
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It won't be an all-out war. It will be done by Spec Ops guys doing multiple coordinated hits.
I wouldnt even do that. Drone the shite out of them. Those frickers may have billions of dollars but they better not step outside or let us see where there are or boom.
Kinda like with baghdadi. Killed him, and his second in command the next day. Hopefully we get the new guy next week. Make it so nobody wants the job. Sure the cartel leaders have alot of money and power but you know your life will end with a quickness.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:13 pm to SDVTiger
Yeah, they would rather surrender.
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