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re: West Memphis three
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:37 pm to Baylor Kyle
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:37 pm to Baylor Kyle
The problem was, whether HE did it or not, the bloody man seen at Mr. Bojangles.
My theory is any of them could have done it, including Mark Byars and Terry Hobbes. But the WMPD was so, so pathetic and just a keystone cop circus, they did have to get someone.
The first court case was just a shite show. Who will ever forget the “expert witness” who got a mail-in “PhD” in “the occult”
If I had my life savings to bet on who did it? I dunno but I honestly don’t see Baldwin hurting anyone. Echols? Yeah, maybe so. Jail humbled that dude immensely. He came off like a smug prick during his trial.
My theory is any of them could have done it, including Mark Byars and Terry Hobbes. But the WMPD was so, so pathetic and just a keystone cop circus, they did have to get someone.
The first court case was just a shite show. Who will ever forget the “expert witness” who got a mail-in “PhD” in “the occult”
If I had my life savings to bet on who did it? I dunno but I honestly don’t see Baldwin hurting anyone. Echols? Yeah, maybe so. Jail humbled that dude immensely. He came off like a smug prick during his trial.
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:01 pm to KiwiHead
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They honed in on Echols especially.
Of all of them, I felt that he was the only one smart enough to plan and do something like that. The other two just seemed like followers. He was quite disturbing saying he'd known since he was little that people would know who he was and saying he liked that he'd be known like the West Memphis boogie man and how kids would be looking under their bed for him for many years in that old HBO documentary.
If they didn't do it, he certainly didn't help his case. I just remember that eerie Metallica instrumental with the bass playing in the background throughout the documentary.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:15 pm to Baylor Kyle
It’s been years since I watched the documentaries or read up on the case but I’m pretty sure after a 14 hour investigation with someone who is severely autistic of course the cops are going to get a false confession out of him. I remember they told him he would get to see his dad if he “told them what happened”. He proceeded to confess and go into great detail of how they killed the kids, but clearly was talking out of his arse. I forget is he described it as stabbing the kids but it was made a point that however he described the killings were not at all consistent with how the boys were killed. There’s a lot of other weird things like a bloodied man who locked himself in the bathroom of a bojangles bathroom the night of the murders. The bohangles was across the highway from Robin Hood hills. Also I just don’t trust small town bumfrick cops to do a competent job at investigating. You saw that small town, dumb white trash personified. Would you expect anything less?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:19 pm to Baylor Kyle
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Can you share any evidence that Misskelley is handicapped or the confession was coerced? How would you explain the confessions to his attorney or to the cops on the way to prison?
Misskelley was only 17, IQ of around 70, was determined to read on a 3rd grade level, and was in special ed. He first denied involvement during interrogation but changed his story after about 10 or more straight hours of intense questioning, after "knowingly and voluntarily" waiving his right to counsel. Questioning that resulted in stark inconsistencies such as his saying the boys were bound with rope, when in fact they were bound with shoelaces, specifically. Add to all that that DNA of a completely separate person than any of the WM3 was found at the scene, I'd say his confession and guilt are seriously in question.
Am I misrepresenting the facts here? If so, please point me to the source.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:20 pm to Baylor Kyle
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but at least have the right facts not just propaganda from the MSNBC crowd
Oh so if we don’t believe in your point of view then we must be the “MSNBC crowd”. If your dick is big enough, tuck it in your arse and go frick your self.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:36 pm to davyjones
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He first denied involvement during interrogation but changed his story after about 10 or more straight hours of intense questioning,
None of this is true
1) The day after the murders, Jessie told his friend Buddy Lucas that he’d “hurt some boys”. He then cried and gave Buddy a pair of sneakers to not tell
2) Jessie is heard crying, praying and apologizing in his room. His father eventually talked with the police and arranged to bring Jr. in at 10am for questioning. He first confesses at 2:20pm
3) The most damning piece of evidence was found after the trial was over. A necklace was found in Echols' possession that was covered with blood. Tests proved that the DNA on it was from Damien, Jason and Stevie Branch
4) Not one alibi was offered from either of the 3 murders. In fact, Baldwin's lawyer stood up in court and said he couldn’t find a reliable alibi witness for Jason. Misskelley claimed to be at a karate tournament, that had been held a month earlier. Echols claimed he was on the phone with 4 different people. None of them verified this. In fact, they said they were calling each other to see if anyone had talked to Echols. One of his witnesses testified that the last conversation she had with Damien, he told her he had something to do and to call back in after dark. She did, but still wasn't able to reach him for another hour and a half.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:43 pm to RobbBobb
I really don't have the energy to reply to each one of those points you made, but let's just say I find nothing in all of that persuasive. I guess I will hit on a couple at least.....blood on necklace was the same BLOOD TYPE, no DNA match to say it was from any particular person. "Blood type" is a pretty damn vague concept. As for "no alibis".....of course there's no duty of any criminal defendant ever to put forth an alibi.
Back to my original point, I firmly stand by it/them.
Back to my original point, I firmly stand by it/them.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:45 pm to Baylor Kyle
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Echols lives in New York and continues to write books about and practice the occult
Can you elaborate?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:23 pm to danilo
Is Echols still married to the lady who quit her career to work full time on his case and awareness?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:33 pm to PiscesTiger
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Is Echols still married to the lady who quit her career to work full time on his case and awareness?
Lorri Davis. Think so.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:40 pm to PiscesTiger
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Is Echols still married to the lady who quit her career to work full time on his case and awareness?
I believe that is the case.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:47 pm to JimNat
Only BIPOC get wrongfully accused.
Like the Central Park 5.
On a serious note. I watched paradise lost and looked into it a bit and just thought it was the dad or step dad guy that did it.
And yeah misskelly was misfiring. Not too bright.
Like the Central Park 5.
On a serious note. I watched paradise lost and looked into it a bit and just thought it was the dad or step dad guy that did it.
And yeah misskelly was misfiring. Not too bright.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:24 pm to davyjones
Yes. You can find the primary sources on the Callahan site I referenced. Here is where the facts do not support you claim:
1. He confessed after 2.5 hours - read the primary source not the spin. Explain the four subsequent confessions, one post conviction.
2. He tested between 70-80. He was not smart but he had a job and a car. Not a genius but likely Vince Young-level.
3. DNA was found on a necklace of the same consistency (quality) belonging to Branch that was owned by Baldwin-Echols. Explain that? Makes less sense than a child having his dads hair on him.
1. He confessed after 2.5 hours - read the primary source not the spin. Explain the four subsequent confessions, one post conviction.
2. He tested between 70-80. He was not smart but he had a job and a car. Not a genius but likely Vince Young-level.
3. DNA was found on a necklace of the same consistency (quality) belonging to Branch that was owned by Baldwin-Echols. Explain that? Makes less sense than a child having his dads hair on him.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:39 pm to Baylor Kyle
I think on some points we're simply not connecting, and on others we will have to agree to disagree. As I stated before, up until that 2.5 hour mark you mention, he proclaimed his innocence. On the subject of his mental acuity and cognitive abilities, agree to disagree there. My perception of it is that he was extremely vulnerable to pressure and persuasion, stemming from the notable intellectual and cognitive disabilities. To your point about the necklace, I suppose I'm just not following you there because I'd say it's either a direct link via DNA match or it's not....and again in this case there was no such direct DNA link or match. To cite DNA evidence yet fall short of being able to declare a DNA match is the definition of reasonable doubt.
But I guess my main rebuttal would be to point to fact that the three are no longer in prison, i.e. the DA and judge themselves clearly believed there were glaring questions and concerns.
But I guess my main rebuttal would be to point to fact that the three are no longer in prison, i.e. the DA and judge themselves clearly believed there were glaring questions and concerns.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:12 pm to PiscesTiger
YouTube - West Memphis Three: The Missing Pieces
My best guess is Terry Hobbs did it.
My best guess is Terry Hobbs did it.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:41 pm to davyjones
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As I stated before, up until that 2.5 hour mark you mention, he proclaimed his innocence.
He had already told several friends he had hurt those boys, and his own father heard him crying and asking for forgiveness. That why his father brought him in to the police.
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When investigators spoke to Lucas on June 10, 1993 he produced for them the shoes Jessie had given to him. However, Buddy’s uncle told the police that Buddy knew more than he was telling them. Shortly there after, Lucas was picked up by police again and he informed them that on May 6, 1993, the day immediately after the murders, he had gone to visit with Jessie. During this visit, Jessie suddenly began to cry and confessed to him that himself, along with Jason Baldwin, and Damien Echols, had hurt some boys the night before. According to Lucas, Jessie wanted to turn Jason and Damien in to the police, but didn’t know how to do so without going to prison himself.
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According to Jessie’s friend, David Sims, on the night they went down to the police station to report Tracy Laxton as a suspect in the murders, Jessie told Sims that he thought Jason and Damien had done the murders.
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Floresca said Misskelley told her and other students the day before he was arrested that he participated in the killings.
“He was saying he hit the little boy and the little boy ran off and he was taking him back to where Damien and the other boy were,” she said. According to Misskelley’s story, Echols had already killed the two other boys, she said.
The reason for the delay in his confession was that he was told by his father that they were going to claim the reward. It confused him, and took him awhile to sort through that, before he realized he was being blamed. Then the police went through reading his rights, signing forms, polygraph, lunch, etc. They didnt even start questioning him about his involvement until 12:45, and he confessed at 2:20. and then they started the recordings
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:07 pm to RobbBobb
At one point early in the process, most (including myself) thought Mark Byers was the guilty one.
Then, I just knew it was Terry Hobbs, and left it at that.
We all know the pull of celebs in media, look at this group that threw their hat in the ring to champion their innocence...
Henry Rollins, Natalie Maines, Eddie Vedder, Johnny Depp, Metallica, Disturbed, L7, Trey Parker, Jack Black, Winona Ryder, Will Ferrell, Robert Smith, Patti Smith, Marilyn Manson, Shepard Fairey, Tom Waits, Clive Barker, Peter Straub, Margaret Cho, Dan “The Outlaw” Hardy, Patton Oswalt, Sarah Silverman, Axl Rose, Iggy Pop, Steve Earle, Hank Williams III, Chuck D, Mandy Moore and Demi Lovato
Such a weird case.
Then, I just knew it was Terry Hobbs, and left it at that.
We all know the pull of celebs in media, look at this group that threw their hat in the ring to champion their innocence...
Henry Rollins, Natalie Maines, Eddie Vedder, Johnny Depp, Metallica, Disturbed, L7, Trey Parker, Jack Black, Winona Ryder, Will Ferrell, Robert Smith, Patti Smith, Marilyn Manson, Shepard Fairey, Tom Waits, Clive Barker, Peter Straub, Margaret Cho, Dan “The Outlaw” Hardy, Patton Oswalt, Sarah Silverman, Axl Rose, Iggy Pop, Steve Earle, Hank Williams III, Chuck D, Mandy Moore and Demi Lovato
Such a weird case.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:12 pm to JimNat
I got deep in to several years ago when all the paradise lost films were complete. My thoughts are they're guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. No alibis and too much smoke
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:15 pm to Porky
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DNA from the crime scene matched the DNA of the Branch boy's step-father, if I remember correctly.
It was a hair and it wasn't a certain match. Of the suspects at the time he was the only possible match.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:20 pm to OccamsStubble
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so a kid with an IQ of a turnip admitted three times over the course of a fourteen hour interrogation without an attourney that they were involved in the murders. Computes.
He confessed multiple separate times guy. And he also confessed, not only in the presence of, but to his attorney. Against his attorney's advice. If you don't know it's ok but don't act like you know
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