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re: What Would a Grand Bargain Look Like?
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:21 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:21 pm to JudgeHolden
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Magazine capacity limits
Nope
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Fire rate limiters on all new weapons
Nope
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Real background checks for new gun ownership
I'm not clear on what this means.
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Gun insurance requirement for all present gun owners
Maybe as long as we're talking PRIVATE insurance
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License required to use a gun whether previously owned or not (possible exception self defense)
Nope
quote:Nope
Key locking magazines on new guns (slowing magazine change rate)
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:22 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:Sheer fantasy. I mean, there's literally no evidence that this would be the case and mountains of evidence that it isn't.
Well that's interesting. I think about two-thirds of dems would go with that position.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:25 pm to JudgeHolden
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BUT, it has to be directly paid for by tax increases on people making over $250K a year.
lol.
i love you fricking socialists....it's always the same.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:25 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:Perhaps. But cross issue compromise is silly.
Try me. What's your deal? It's strange because compromise is so foreign a concept these days.
No. I'm not going to negotiate guns with abortion. That's silly. But hell, even if I would. You couldn't get 1/3 of Democrats to agree to any restrictions on abortion if you waterboarded them.
And, you couldn't get 1/3 to agree to a compromise gun law that would be the LAST gun law they could ever pass.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:29 pm to JudgeHolden
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Say you get that.
What's your give?
I keep telling you. It's simple.
My demand is that the left grant me the same individual freedom it has given itself.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:30 pm to JudgeHolden
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school prayer
Seriously? Whose driving this these days?
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:30 pm to ShortyRob
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But cross issue compromise is silly.
Is it? I mean they do cross-issue compromise, effectively, with every budget bill, right?
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:33 pm to ShortyRob
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Seriously? Whose driving this these days?
Me.
Say you get a constitutional amendment permitting exclusively Christian prayer in school.
What would you give for that?
(I understand you want "the same freedoms that the left has granted itself." You've said it several times. I'm looking at specifics just to think about it.)
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:34 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:Regardless.
Is it? I mean they do cross-issue compromise, effectively, with every budget bill, right?
I have my ask. My ask is simple.
Is the left okay with it when a female business owner prioritizes hiring only females 2 top management roles?
How about when a black owner does it with blacks?
Is the left okay with it if a gay person doesn't want to do business with Ann Coulter?
Is the left okay with it if a Jew doesn't want to do business with David Duke?
On an even simpler note is the left okay with it if a black person looking for a roommate seeks out other black people to be his roommate?
I could go on for probably hundreds of these and I suspect the answer and every single case is yes
And I agree.
My ask is that the left fricking return the favor.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:35 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:Why would I want this?
Say you get a constitutional amendment permitting exclusively Christian prayer in school.
You couldn't get a majority of Republicans on board with that. Note even close. So, I don't know what circles you run in but that's a "give" that no one gives a frick about short of a few nuts.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:36 pm to JudgeHolden
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(I understand you want "the same freedoms that the left has granted itself." You've said it several times. I'm looking at specifics just to think about it.
What specifics are required?
I want individual freedom. THAT is my specific. It's not complicated. If I'm not killing you, stealing your shite or otherwise, I want to be free. And, since you guys have already declared that you get that one, sounds even to me.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:37 pm to JudgeHolden
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I understand you want "the same freedoms that the left has granted itself." You've said it several times. I'm looking at specifics just to think about i
I mean, why exactly should I have to "give" something to gain the shite you've already given yourselves?
That ain't compromise.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:43 pm to ShortyRob
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You couldn't get a majority of Republicans on board with that. Note even close. So, I don't know what circles you run in but that's a "give" that no one gives a frick about short of a few nuts.
Ok. Misread you on that one. I thought that was one of your issues.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:45 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:To repeat. Atheist here. So, yeah.
Ok. Misread you on that one. I thought that was one of your issues.
But, 90% of the Christians I know wouldn't support mandated school prayer of a specific sort. So, it's an issue without a constituency.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:47 pm to JudgeHolden
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Gun insurance requirement for all present gun owners
I will accept that expense to exercise my constitutional right. In return, I would like to re-establish poll taxes and a requirement to be a property owner to vote.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:48 pm to ShortyRob
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To repeat. Atheist here. So, yeah.
Yep. You did say that. Missed it.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:49 pm to ShortyRob
He keeps ignoring the freedom trade proposal you make.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:51 pm to roadGator
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He keeps ignoring the freedom trade proposal you make.
I know.
I look at it this way. I'm not willing to compromise until I can at least gain the ground they've already handed themselves.
I see no reason to GIVE MORE in order to gain equal access to individual freedom.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:57 pm to JudgeHolden
Republicans shouldn’t have to give up anything for a wall and better restrictions on immigration. A lot of these liberals live in gated communities with restrictions to access . They know it works but they want more voters .
Abortion should be a women’s choice unless the majority vote for one side . They register at 18 if they are pro life or pro abortion. Anyone who is pro abortion will not be charged with murder if they kill their unborn baby and neither will anyone else who kills her unborn baby . If you feel like a unborn baby is not alive then you should feel that way no matter who kills the baby .
Abortion should be a women’s choice unless the majority vote for one side . They register at 18 if they are pro life or pro abortion. Anyone who is pro abortion will not be charged with murder if they kill their unborn baby and neither will anyone else who kills her unborn baby . If you feel like a unborn baby is not alive then you should feel that way no matter who kills the baby .
Posted on 5/3/18 at 3:05 pm to tjv305
I'd just like to point out that this thread actually is typical of liberal thinking.
A liberal wants to be able to take your candy.........then ask you what you're willing to give up to get SOME of your candy back and they call that "compromise".
A liberal wants to be able to take your candy.........then ask you what you're willing to give up to get SOME of your candy back and they call that "compromise".
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