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re: Why do Marxists resist being called Marxists?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:06 am to Wednesday
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:06 am to Wednesday
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1) Does anyone know why actual socialists think it’s an insult to be called a socialist?
Because they've been raised to think of it as the pejorative it has earned. The problem though is that it conflicts with their limited understanding of the human element (thinking we are more homogeneous than we actually are and not understanding the dangers that naivete brings). Due to this failure their thinking is that a more socialist system is fair even though it's never been the ethical nor moral success it originally promises to be. This conflict leads them to treat the term in a Judas fashion (following yet disavowing in public).
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2) Does anyone know why actual socialists think socialism isn’t a form of Marxism?
A willful ignorance or actual ignorance (see above).
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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quote: Socialism is a buzz word Wrong.
FakeNews
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, Marxism and his socal theories are behind every bit about f it.
I would somewhat agree.
However, economically, it is quite diverse. And leftists across the western world who are referred to as socialists practice and preach a form of progressive taxation and distribution that isn't really found in Marxism. Marx would never say to tax Amazon, for example. He would call for their private ownership and exclusive use of their stocks of capital to be abolished or not recognized.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:10 am to Wednesday
shite, most libs on this board won't even cop to being democrats.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:10 am to Wednesday
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What is the definition of Marxism?
Just real briefly, off the top of my head, I would say that Marxism is the transition from a capitalist economy to Communism. Roughly the transition goes from capitalism to a dictatorship of the proletariat (a socialist state) to a stateless workers' utopia (Communism).
Socialism is where there is no privately held property, and the state owns the means of production. In communism, there is no state. It is essentially anarchy where all the means of production are held communally.
What Marxism isn't, is simply a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with your politics. That's what the poster I replied to implied.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:13 am to Wednesday
Why do racists resist being called racists?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:14 am to HotTakeHerald
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And leftists across the western world who are referred to as socialists practice and preach a form of progressive taxation and distribution that isn't really found in Marxism
the cultural and social aspects of western left wing ideology are definitely rooted in Marxist theory. The economic policies cites are on a slower progression.
Most are just working with the system we have, for now
Liberalism has been replaced by progressivism.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:17 am to wutangfinancial
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the fact that a politician believes that working people are being oppresed by coprate overlords and thus we should be taxing them to death instead of seizing their property doesn't matter.
I would argue it does matter.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:17 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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What Marxism isn't, is simply a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with your politics. That's what the poster I replied to implied.
That is not what I meant I think you are being dishonest. I was commenting on the materlisitic/classist philosophy that the bartender squad buy into. There is not much difference between their philosophy and Marxism. Class and racial politics is rooted in Marxism, it is not hard to see, and in practice is not socialist because we have institutions from preventing those practices of seizing private property. What am I missing?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:20 am to Wednesday
Socialism can only be successfully sold to the masses when history is distorted or concealed.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:21 am to HotTakeHerald
Identify politics are Marxist in origin. The American leftvis ruled by identity.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:22 am to LSU Patrick
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Socialism can only be successfully sold to the masses when history is distorted or concealed.
it works better in a small religious community.
Egos not just into me me me.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
So what are people talking about when they say Marxism and Marx would not agree with identity politics? I seriously have no idea how anybody can draw that conclusion. What am I missing?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:28 am to wutangfinancial
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So what are people talking about when they say Marxism and Marx would not agree with identity politics?
Theyre really gnorant. You can't have a revolution without pitting groups vs groups
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:33 am to WizardSleeve
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Marketing
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:34 am to HonoraryCoonass
I love this.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:36 am to wutangfinancial
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Class and racial politics is rooted in Marxism
Class, yes, as Marxism strives to remove class distinctions. Race? Not so much. Ultimately, the workers' utopia (Communism) is to be a global condition, with no borders or states. I don't see how you could make racial distinctions under those conditions.
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the bartender squad
I don't even know what this is. Would it be drunks serving drunks while waxing philosophic on economic issues at the bar?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:36 am to Wednesday
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Why do Marxists resist being called Marxists?
For the same reason why liberals changed their name to "progressive." Once you've totally ruined your brand, you have to re-tool your image.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:38 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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would say that Marxism is the transition from a capitalist economy to Communism.
Marxism itself deals with the socioeconomic views of social and class relations. Precicely what's happening on the left.
The end result would be revolution in which the politics and economy are transformed.
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 9:44 am
Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:42 am to wutangfinancial
you are not speaking very clearly.
Marx believed that ideologies were a force that shaped one's beliefs versus one that chooses ideologies. In this case you might describe him as woke.
Dude is a philosopher. He is demonized by idiots that don't know anything about philosophy. Philosophy is nothing but a bunch of jibber jabber thought games by old white men with money that have nothing else to do in their free time. Instead of demonizing the player demonize the game.
"Don't fall prey to ideologies." - Karl Marx
"You just dived into your own, trap" - other philospher
"Stop with your BS ideological lies" - Marx
"Communist!" - other philospher
"Lies and damned lies. Stop with your labeling, but yes kinda communist" - Marx
Marx believed that ideologies were a force that shaped one's beliefs versus one that chooses ideologies. In this case you might describe him as woke.
Dude is a philosopher. He is demonized by idiots that don't know anything about philosophy. Philosophy is nothing but a bunch of jibber jabber thought games by old white men with money that have nothing else to do in their free time. Instead of demonizing the player demonize the game.
"Don't fall prey to ideologies." - Karl Marx
"You just dived into your own, trap" - other philospher
"Stop with your BS ideological lies" - Marx
"Communist!" - other philospher
"Lies and damned lies. Stop with your labeling, but yes kinda communist" - Marx
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 9:44 am
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