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re: City and QSG investigation
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:21 pm to theOG
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:21 pm to theOG
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Barcelona just paid up to $150m for someone who was bought for just $15m in the previous window
As an after effect of Neymar being bought with state funds
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I'm completely ignoring his bullshite complaint that City and PSG are state owned.
Its not bullshite
its 100% true and pissing contest b/w Qatar and UAE is only going to make it worse.
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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it's just another made up, meaningless standard perpetuated by the historical powers who don't want new competition. There's a very odd class system mentality amongst soccer fans. You're not supposed to move up, and especially not in ways the upper class doesn't like. frick em.
How many times will you spew this bullshite
No one has an issue with a club moving up the ladder.
People have an issue with two clubs owned by oil rich countries with money as no issue. The two clubs essential don't care if they operate in the red. While the rest of us have to actually operate like a club/business to stay afloat. FFP forced the hand of City and PSG to conduct them selves as a club actually should.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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No one has an issue with a club moving up the ladder
lie
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People have an issue with two clubs owned by oil rich countries with money as no issue. The two clubs essential don't care if they operate in the red. While the rest of us have to actually operate like a club/business to stay afloat. FFP forced the hand of City and PSG to conduct them selves as a club actually should.
Only in European football can investing more money into the sport be considered ruinous to the sport as a whole
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as a club actually should
you don't get to decide what that is
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Being reckless with money and totally fricking up the market isn't good for the game
If the two clubs kept up their habits with out money from the state they would be no where near self sustaining and would go bust.
It's a problem and seems like you have your head in the sand bc it's your club doing it.
If the two clubs kept up their habits with out money from the state they would be no where near self sustaining and would go bust.
It's a problem and seems like you have your head in the sand bc it's your club doing it.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Exactly once again you have no real rebuttal.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:22 pm to StraightCashHomey21
That is a rebuttal which reflects how seriously I'm taking your "argument"
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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As an after effect of Neymar being bought with state funds
For real? This is your argument? Why didn't Barca just promote someone from their academy?
You (or a club in the league that you run) don't get to pay $150m for a kid and then make the ridiculous argument that you can only do this if you aren't state-owned.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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That is a rebuttal which reflects how seriously I'm taking your "argument"
You already proved you are clueless on this topic, when you tried to use EU employment laws and freedom of movement when talking about a Brazilian citizen.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:41 pm to theOG
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For real? This is your argument? Why didn't Barca just promote someone from their academy?
Dunno, probably bc they didn't have anyone ready, to replace the impact of Neymar.
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You (or a club in the league that you run) don't get to pay $150m for a kid and then make the ridiculous argument that you can only do this if you aren't state-owned.
PSG and City only are able to do this bc they are state owned. Those funds then trickled down to Barca who played a 100 million for a kid probably worth 65-70 bc Dortmund knew how much they had in the bank to spend and decided to jack the price up.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:47 pm to StraightCashHomey21
You are awfully salty today
FYI freedom of movement laws aren't always limited to EU citizens. I'm not an expert on the subject but I bet PSG knows a few people who are.
You push your paradigm as if there is no other legitimate way to look at the issue which is silly just on it's face. I disagree that bringing money into the game is automatically a bad thing and I think the complaints of state ownership are largely overblown. You push hypothetical scenarios about what might happen if owners do X but we don't live in a world of hypothetical and regardless PSG have real contracts which they are using to make these payments so you can save your concern for someone who needs it, like Man U's defenders should you run into PSG in the CL knockout round
FYI freedom of movement laws aren't always limited to EU citizens. I'm not an expert on the subject but I bet PSG knows a few people who are.
You push your paradigm as if there is no other legitimate way to look at the issue which is silly just on it's face. I disagree that bringing money into the game is automatically a bad thing and I think the complaints of state ownership are largely overblown. You push hypothetical scenarios about what might happen if owners do X but we don't live in a world of hypothetical and regardless PSG have real contracts which they are using to make these payments so you can save your concern for someone who needs it, like Man U's defenders should you run into PSG in the CL knockout round
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:50 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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PSG and City only are able to do this bc they are state owned. Those funds then trickled down to Barca who played a 100 million for a kid probably worth 65-70 bc Dortmund knew how much they had in the bank to spend and decided to jack the price up.
So the money is trickling down. Now BVB will go spend the money on some Sweedish league wunderkid and then that club will have more money. Yet you spin this as a travesty. So players will cost more, so what? What does that do but encourage clubs to focus more on their youth setup anyway? Isn't that what you consider the "right" way?
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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FYI freedom of movement laws aren't always limited to EU citizens
Um yes they are when it comes to work, you can be on a work via in one EU country and be denied entry/work into another. Perfect example was the PSG player just bought by Spurs. The home office was considering not granting him a work visa.
Now most EU countries are pretty lax at the border
quote:Well that part of FFP challenge didn't work out for them. Once again just b/c I have a visa to work in the UK doesn't mean I don't need a new one to work in France as a non EU citizen.
I'm not an expert on the subject but I bet PSG knows a few people who are.
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You push your paradigm as if there is no other legitimate way to look at the issue which is silly just on it's face. I disagree that bringing money into the game is automatically a bad thing and I think the complaints of state ownership are largely overblown. You push hypothetical scenarios about what might happen if owners do X but we don't live in a world of hypothetical and regardless PSG have real contracts which they are using to make these payments so you can save your concern for someone who needs it, like Man U's defenders should you run into PSG in the CL knockout round
You play the victim here, claiming nonsense conspiracy theories about keeping your 1st or 2nd club down(depending what week it is). You clearly are not understanding EU laws, yet come on here saying FFP violates them. You club is state owned and it is seen as an issue.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 2:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So the money is trickling down. Now BVB will go spend the money on some Sweedish league wunderkid and then that club will have more money. Yet you spin this as a travesty. So players will cost more, so what? What does that do but encourage clubs to focus more on their youth setup anyway? Isn't that what you consider the "right" way?
They won't overspend bc that's not how the club runs. BVB has a board and supporters(who own the club) to answer too and bc of their past will never spend reckless again. FFP is there to prevent a club like BVB from going bust again, and needing an emergency loan from Bayern to stay alive. PSG doesn't have these people to answer to, and can blow all the money they want without any repercussions.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 3:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Well that part of FFP challenge didn't work out for them. Once again just b/c I have a visa to work in the UK doesn't mean I don't need a new one to work in France as a non EU citizen.
well okay but as i said i'm sure they had a conversation about it before they dropped half a billion in one window.
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claiming nonsense conspiracy theories
believing UEFA created FFP to protect the fans and clubs from themselves is so naive it's comical, and far less likely than even the most outlandish conspiracy theory.
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about keeping your 1st or 2nd club down
You think you're zinging me but I can have 10 clubs if thats what I want to do and you're in no position to criticize me, not only because of how weak it is but also bc i've seen you on here claiming clubs other than man u.
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You clearly are not understanding EU laws, yet come on here saying FFP violates them.
when i actually went back and researched it a few years ago there were clearly issues. Shocking as it may be I have other things to do in my life than keep abreast of the nuances of EU law.
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You club is state owned and it is seen as an issue.
incorrectly so
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 3:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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PSG doesn't have these people to answer to, and can blow all the money they want without any repercussions.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 3:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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well okay but as i said i'm sure they had a conversation about it before they dropped half a billion in one window.
why would they
Neymar would for sure get granted a work visa
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believing UEFA created FFP to protect the fans and clubs from themselves is so naive it's comical, and far less likely than even the most outlandish conspiracy theory.
The success stories of smaller clubs thriving in the FFP era prove you wrong.
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You think you're zinging me but I can have 10 clubs if thats what I want to do and you're in no position to criticize me, not only because of how week it is but also bc i've seen you on here claiming clubs other than man u.
Everyone gives you shite for it and for good reason. Yes I support a club in a city I used to live in that is utter shite and might get relegated to the 3rd division. Not the same as picking up fricking PSG as a second club
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when i actually went back and researched it a few years ago there were clearly issues. Shocking as it may be I have other things to do in my life than keep abreast of the nuances of EU law.
You kept claiming to be an expert basically saying trust me I'm a lawyer.
quote:countries owning clubs is def an issue. Esp scum places like those two.
incorrectly so
Posted on 9/6/17 at 3:17 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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why would they
Neymar would for sure get granted a work visa
I meant re: what they would do if they end up having to go to court over it with UEFA.
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The success stories of smaller clubs thriving in the FFP era prove you wrong.
really not at all relevant when you're talking about what the intent was. Are you seriously implying UEFA, one of the most corrupt organizations in the world, just dreamed up FFP for altruistic reasons? Come on man.
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Yes I support a club in a city I used to live in that is utter shite and might get relegated to the 3rd division. Not the same as picking up fricking PSG as a second club
it's actually the exact same. Only pretentious assholes really care about who someone else roots for and why. If you're just trolling then hey have at it but knowing the mentality of the average soccer fan I tend to think it's not that for most on here. It's pathetic, not unlike the guy who cares what another man drinks.
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You kept claiming to be an expert basically saying trust me I'm a lawyer.
yeah at the time i had done the research and knew what i was talking about. If you want to pay me to give you an updated legal opinion i can do that.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 3:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The two clubs essential don't care if they operate in the red.
No clue what PSG's financials were the last two years, but City was in the green.....
United was the only club to make more profit than them in 15-16.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 3:55 pm to McCaigBro69
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No clue what PSG's financials were the last two years, but City was in the green.....
PSG makes money but has several very large deals with Qatari companies
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