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re: Which US players will benefit the most from this run?
Posted on 6/24/10 at 2:28 pm to uway
Posted on 6/24/10 at 2:28 pm to uway
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Based on what?
Looking at it rationally and not through American-homer glasses.
Joe Cole was played a very large part in Chelsea's recent success and has won a number of Premier League titles, FA Cups, League Cups, and Community Shields.
Donovan was a bust in Germany early on and has played pretty much his entire career in the MLS besides a short time with Bayern Munich (failure) and a month stint at Everton. He's a very good player, the best in US history now in all likelihood, but he's not better than a healthy Joe Cole (which admittedly, has been rare at times).
The Gazidis/Kroenke link will eventually lead us to sign an American, I would just be very surprised if it happened this summer.
This post was edited on 6/24/10 at 2:30 pm
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Posted on 6/24/10 at 2:42 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Looking at it rationally and not through American-homer glasses
It's usually a sign of a weak argument when you have to resort to saying the opposing side is irrational. When you follow it up with weak evidence, that doesn't help.
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:00 pm to uway
There is absolutely zero reason besides being an American homer to think Donovan is better. And at least I gave reasons. What are yours?
So you think it's irrelevant that Joe Cole was the best player on a Premier League team, was sold to a top 3 club in the Premier League and starred there for many years while Donovan failed to impress at Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich and toiled in the MLS for his whole career? Even American fans were lukewarm on Donovan until this year. He did play well at Everton on loan, but he certainly has not proved himself to have the talent or success of Joe Cole.
So you think it's irrelevant that Joe Cole was the best player on a Premier League team, was sold to a top 3 club in the Premier League and starred there for many years while Donovan failed to impress at Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich and toiled in the MLS for his whole career? Even American fans were lukewarm on Donovan until this year. He did play well at Everton on loan, but he certainly has not proved himself to have the talent or success of Joe Cole.
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:07 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I'm a Chelsea fan and I agree with you that JC is better than Landon, but JC did not star for Chelsea by any means.
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:18 pm to BayouBengals18
He was Chelsea Player of the Year in 07/08...
Obviously not a Drogba/Terry/Lampard figure, but still. Google "joe cole world class" and you'll get about 1.5 million more hits than "landon donovan world class". If that argument doesn't sway you, nothing will
Obviously not a Drogba/Terry/Lampard figure, but still. Google "joe cole world class" and you'll get about 1.5 million more hits than "landon donovan world class". If that argument doesn't sway you, nothing will
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:25 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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What are yours?
I've watched both of them play and don't believe that Joe Cole is a better player.
There's a lot more to Landon's failures in Germany than you are letting on. He didn't fail there b/c he wasn't talented enough to play at that level.
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So you think it's irrelevant that Joe Cole was the best player on a Premier League team
If Landon goes back to Everton, he'll be the best player on that team, and Everton is a better team than West Ham was with Joe Cole.
You can just stop with the "homer" bullshite. I'm not saying Landon is a top player in the world. I'm saying he's better than Joe Cole, who clearly is not a top player in the world now if he ever was.
btw, your argument has gone from "if healthy, I would say he (JC) is a better player than Landon" to "anybody who thinks JC doesn't clearly outclass LD is a complete homer idiot. I mean, just do a google search."
This post was edited on 6/24/10 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:33 pm to uway
FWIW, I don't think that Landon's a better player than Joe Cole. He's not far behind, but I think the only category where Donovan is clearly ahead is durability, and perhaps, out and out pace.
The primary reason I think Chelsea make (makes?) a play for Donovan is for marketing reasons.
The primary reason I think Chelsea make (makes?) a play for Donovan is for marketing reasons.
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:41 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Damn I didn't even realize that. And I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I wish he would stay healthy and stay at Chelsea.
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:46 pm to uway
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btw, your argument has gone from "if healthy, I would say he (JC) is a better player than Landon" to "anybody who thinks JC doesn't clearly outclass LD is a complete homer idiot. I mean, just do a google search."
You suffer from a lack of sarcasm perception on the whole Google thing.
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I've watched both of them play and don't believe that Joe Cole is a better player.
Glad you don't. Guess you're entitled to your opinion.
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If Landon goes back to Everton, he'll be the best player on that team
He'd be up there, though I'm not sure he'd be their best player. He's in the same realm as Pienaar, Fellani, Cahill, and Arteta, the guys I would consider Everton's best outfield players. Obviously, Howard is their best player overall.
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There's a lot more to Landon's failures in Germany than you are letting on. He didn't fail there b/c he wasn't talented enough to play at that level.
This is true. There is also a reason why it took so long for Donovan to get looked at by European clubs again...
Joe Cole was England's best attacking player in the '06 World Cup. He was making 45-50 starts a year for the best squad in the EPL in the mid 2000s. If Landon Donovan does actually come to Chelsea, which I still can't envision happening, it will be because his wages will be far less than what Joe Cole is demanding.
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:52 pm to Sheep
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FWIW, I don't think that Landon's a better player than Joe Cole. He's not far behind, but I think the only category where Donovan is clearly ahead is durability, and perhaps, out and out pace.
I don't think Landon's far behind either, and it is closer now because of Cole's injuries, but if you try to compare their careers, there really is no comparison. There's a reason the English press and guys like John Terry are clamoring for Capello to include him...
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The primary reason I think Chelsea make (makes?) a play for Donovan is for marketing reasons.
And wages...
Posted on 6/24/10 at 4:07 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Yeah but you know MLS is gonna ask for a shitload for a transfer fee... But, Chelsea is willing to spend money
This post was edited on 6/24/10 at 4:08 pm
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