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re: Apple Desktop $24,000+ LOL..seriously Apple?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:54 pm to efrad
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:54 pm to efrad
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But I don't see how someone who clearly has a good thinking head on their shoulders can't take a step back and appreciate design for what it is, even if they would never purchase it themselves
I do appreciate design for what it is, if it's a design that adds value. Here's some shite I wouldn't buy but appreciate:
Thin, light, and a battery life that's pretty much unmatched by any other ultrabook style PC on the market. I remember when the Air was first unveiled by Steve Jobs. Pulled it out of a fricking envelope. It's unfortunately more expensive than equivalently spec'd laptops, but you cannot get a design like this, a design that adds real value, from the cheaper options. I also appreciate that it comes with an SSD to prioritize everyday performance over inflated numbers (I am so sick of seeing 500GB 5400RPM hard drives in stock, mid-low end Windows laptops that would otherwise be fantastic hassle-free values for basic computing)
The Mac Mini. Actually pretty reasonably priced, low-key style in a very compact form factor, spec'd as an effective HTPC. You can build mini-itx machines that are more powerful and cheaper, but the Mini's current size can't be matched without buying an off-the-shelf alternative... as far as I know.
And not much needs to be said about this one. 5K iMac. Looks damn good. No, you can't build an all-in-one, nor should you. Personally, I am not a fan of all-in-ones whatsoever, but this one is currently unmatched.
But the trashcan, other than saving some desk space, has no benefits and all the drawbacks of a proprietary design.
This thread was about the Mac Pro and equivalent workstations. My argument was that a custom workstation for an individual is much better in the short and long term vs. something prebuilt. Your argument came across at first as trying to justify the increased price by citing Apple's design. For a computing tool like this, I look at "design" completely from an engineering perspective. My brain immediately goes to, "Does this particular trashcan design, the topic of this discussion, offer any actual technical benefits? Absolutely not."
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Why do you keep bringing this up?
Because this thread's about the trashcan Mac Pro. And because your entry into this thread, in response to my simple comparisons of custom and pre-builts, was this childish trolling:
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lol such butthurt in this thread from people who can't afford an Apple
So why should I assume that you are anything but a typical uneducated Apple fanboy? The misunderstanding here is that you like Apple's designs, and I interpreted as you saying there were technical benefits to the trashcan design in particular. That's all. The aesthetics are a matter of opinion and honestly should not have that much merit in discussing a professional workstation. I still believe, in my own opinion, that PCs can be built to look better than the Mac Pro (I think my PC looks damn good, but I understand that's not something a novice builder could achieve), but that was never even a consideration to me.
So, in summary. I agree that Apple has great designs, many of which offer real benefit and value in addition to aesthetics. The Mac Pro is not one of them.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:59 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Unless things have changed, I find Finder to be much "clunkier" than explorer.
Finder has definitely changed. In Classic Mac OS, Apple used a spatial metaphor file manager (in contrast to the browser metaphor file manager that Window uses), and when they rewrote it for OS X, they really didn't commit to the spatial thing nor did they commit to a browser metaphor. It just felt half-assed. While still not great, I think it's gotten better.
On the other hand, I think Explorer under Windows has regressed. I hate the ribbon interface.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:02 pm to junkfunky
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By the way, I've been thinking about your boy. How's he been doing?
Thanks. He's doing great. Just got his second helmet (outgrew the first), head symmetry making progress as expected. He's starting physical therapy to speed up his gross motor skill development and help correct his torticollis.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:03 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Because this thread's about the trashcan Mac Pro. And because your entry into this thread, in response to my simple comparisons of custom and pre-builts, was this childish trolling:
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lol such butthurt in this thread from people who can't afford an Apple
So why should I assume that you are anything but a typical uneducated Apple fanboy?
Yeah, it was a childish troll... but to be fair, this thread itself is a troll.
If you separate my troll posts from my actual, real posts, you will find that although I am a big fan of Apple, I can be critical of them as well. I am no TigerGman.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:34 am to ILikeLSUToo
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I do appreciate design for what it is, if it's a design that adds value.
You are thinking like an engineer. It doesn't matter if you slap a computer in an actual trashcan for us as long as it is the best it can be...
Other people on the other hand, the design matters a lot to what they want. High end video editing and a lot of these 3d designers are artists and as aggravating as it is to people like us, what it looks like is a huge thing.
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