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re: The audio book debate
Posted on 1/5/22 at 12:00 pm to whiskey over ice
Posted on 1/5/22 at 12:00 pm to whiskey over ice
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Would you say an illiterate football player, for example, who listened to an audio book actually read that book? How could he read it if he was illiterate? Therefore audiobooks =\= reading
If he heard and understood the book, possibly made some interpretations based on the audio, then yes he can say he read it if he wanted to.
He cannot imply he looked at and comprehended the written symbols.
This post was edited on 1/5/22 at 12:01 pm
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 12:14 pm to bayoubengals88
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im starting to realize a lot of people say they read something and really they've just listened to it
Yeah, because that's the common expression. It's like saying you "shipped a package". That doesn't necessarily mean you sent a package by boat.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:54 pm to TAMU-93
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Yeah, because that's the common expression. It's like saying you "shipped a package". That doesn't necessarily mean you sent a package by boat.
Just like what you quoted of my statement, I realize thats whats said by many now. The point is if that should be considered true. There have been some very reasonable answers and I can see how people consider it reading, but honestly, nothing that has changed my mind though. I just dont agree with the thought process behind it and feel like they should be separated. Reading a book and listening to a book.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 3:08 pm to MSMHater
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Is "the point" to consume the story and overall narrative the author is trying to get across? Or to just practice reading comprehension?
Isn't it both? I think consuming the story is the main point, but reading comprehension and seeing words that are new to you in print is more beneficial than listening. Especially for younger people. I know without a doubt the amount of reading I did helped me immensely when it came time for reading and vocab on standardized tests. I don't think I would have gotten the same from listening to audio books
Posted on 1/5/22 at 6:31 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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If he consumes and interprets the material, it is reading in a general sense
When I play music in my care, am I “reading” the music?
Posted on 1/5/22 at 9:18 pm to memphis tiger
Hard to say, the audio version of read appears to be primarily used for a speaker, but I have also heard it used in the form of "reading the tone in" a voice or an instrument before.
I guess it would be a weird phrasing but ultimately permissible.
I guess it would be a weird phrasing but ultimately permissible.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:00 am to Sneaky__Sally
I think this is very situational based. People can definitely get a lot more out of a lecture vs reading the text book in a school setting. The key there is the situation where you are focused on the lecture.
I can definitely get the same out of a book by listening to it if I am focused on the story. Example would be a long boring drive listening to it. It’s one of my favorite things to do on long drives. Sitting on a beach I’m sure you could get the same level of comprehension from an audio book as reading it.
Where I don’t see this the same is if you are multi tasking to the point of doing something like working and listening to an audio book, you just won’t get the same out of it.m
It all depends on the person too, some people get way more out of words in print over audio lessons and vice versa.
I can definitely get the same out of a book by listening to it if I am focused on the story. Example would be a long boring drive listening to it. It’s one of my favorite things to do on long drives. Sitting on a beach I’m sure you could get the same level of comprehension from an audio book as reading it.
Where I don’t see this the same is if you are multi tasking to the point of doing something like working and listening to an audio book, you just won’t get the same out of it.m
It all depends on the person too, some people get way more out of words in print over audio lessons and vice versa.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/6/22 at 2:34 pm to Dam Guide
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I think this is very situational based. People can definitely get a lot more out of a lecture vs reading the text book in a school setting. The key there is the situation where you are focused on the lecture.
Yeah. I'd imagine that anyone with a condition like dyslexia sees audio books as a blessing and doesn't really care whether people consider listening to them the same as reading.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:45 pm to bayoubengals88
I read the Arkansas Vandy game on the radio a few days ago
Posted on 1/6/22 at 7:23 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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I read the Arkansas Vandy game on the radio a few days ago
And I read a podcast while driving to and from work.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 8:40 pm to Sus-Scrofa
All jokes aside though.
I use audiobooks for travel, for background noise, and for “rereading” favorite books that I’ve already read.
I try and actually read the books I’m really interested in. With audiobooks I tend to zone out on occasion.
And I obsessively hoard books, so if I listen to one and really like it, I’ll get a hard copy for the bookshelf.
I use audiobooks for travel, for background noise, and for “rereading” favorite books that I’ve already read.
I try and actually read the books I’m really interested in. With audiobooks I tend to zone out on occasion.
And I obsessively hoard books, so if I listen to one and really like it, I’ll get a hard copy for the bookshelf.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 8:52 pm to memphis tiger
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And I read a podcast while driving to and from work.
You guys can poorly attempt wit all you want, but you could try making good points with that wit. You can get transcripts of many podcasts and read them. You're processing the same content as in the recorded podcast. This is not a good counterpoint.
As for the guy reading that game on the radio: the point of a radio broadcast of a sporting event is to have a narrator describe the action well enough that a listener can visualize the action, which, wait for it, when described like that, sounds an awful lot like the effect of reading a printed narrative.
Thank you for allowing me to stretch like that.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 6:21 am to bayoubengals88
Obviously reading is better, but I benefit from audio because of my two hour commute.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 8:35 am to Jay Are
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You guys can poorly attempt wit all you want, but you could try making good points with that wit. You can get transcripts of many podcasts and read them. You're processing the same content as in the recorded podcast. This is not a good counterpoint.
As for the guy reading that game on the radio: the point of a radio broadcast of a sporting event is to have a narrator describe the action well enough that a listener can visualize the action, which, wait for it, when described like that, sounds an awful lot like the effect of reading a printed narrative.
Thank you for allowing me to stretch like that
Nobody has a problem with listening to audiobooks. I’ve already said that I do it. And nobody is saying you can’t get just as much from listening to an audiobook as you can from reading the book.
But it’s NOT reading.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 10:31 am to memphis tiger
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I’ve already said that I do it. And nobody is saying you can’t get just as much from listening to an audiobook as you can from reading the book.
I don't think you get just as much from it without seeing the words in print, especially for younger people who are learning new words. If you hear a new word in audio, you just have to guess how it's spelled.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 12:00 pm to Jay Are
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You can get transcripts of many podcasts and read them. You're processing the same content as in the recorded podcast. This is not a good counterpoint.
So you can get the transcript to read the podcast it instead of listening to it, got it. Kind of like how you can read the book instead of listening to it. I know this reply wasn't to me but it seems like people think that those that don't consider it reading have an issue with audiobooks. People keep explaining the benefits of an audio book, I get the benefits.
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As for the guy reading that game on the radio: the point of a radio broadcast of a sporting event is to have a narrator describe the action well enough that a listener can visualize the action, which, wait for it, when described like that, sounds an awful lot like the effect of reading a printed narrative.
So you do think listening to game on the radio is reading? Nobody is debating what the point of it is. Was this supposed to be some revelation? "OMG listening to a game does sound a lot like reading." Just because the description sounds like a definition of reading doesn't mean it is.
I told my wife about this debate last night. She uses audible quite a bit for autobiography's and self help books. She was torn on the subject but said if someone asked her if she had read the book she just got done listening to she would tell them yes. So it's a house divided.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 1:15 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Just for argument's sake, I'll add this tidbit. My son read books before he could actually read.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 2:26 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Just like what you quoted of my statement, I realize thats whats said by many now. The point is if that should be considered true. There have been some very reasonable answers and I can see how people consider it reading, but honestly, nothing that has changed my mind though. I just dont agree with the thought process behind it and feel like they should be separated. Reading a book and listening to a book.
Here's my thought process. If someone asks me, "Have you read any good books recently?" It's less awkward to say "Yes!" than to say, "No, but I did listen to a very good audio recording of someone reading a book out loud!"
What was your thought process when you wrote, "listening to a book"? You didn't mean to press the thing against your ear. You were speaking figuratively, right?
Posted on 1/7/22 at 2:58 pm to TAMU-93
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Here's my thought process. If someone asks me, "Have you read any good books recently?" It's less awkward to say "Yes!" than to say, "No, but I did listen to a very good audio recording of someone reading a book out loud!"
I mean I get that
Its not like I would jump in and be like "wait wait wait wait... did you actually read it or did you just listen to it?" And i'll keep repeating just because im not trying to sound pretentious, im not hating on someone that considers audio books reading. I originally asked the question be cause I was genuinely surprised at see how many people viewed it that way and was curious if that was how most people viewed it.
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What was your thought process when you wrote, "listening to a book"? You didn't mean to press the thing against your ear. You were speaking figuratively, right?
Listening to an audio book I guess would be the way to say it.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 4:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I usually say i am listening to XXXX if referencing a single book.
But I will say "X and X and X and X are some of the best books I've read recently" even if some are audiobooks.
But I will say "X and X and X and X are some of the best books I've read recently" even if some are audiobooks.
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