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re: The Walking Dead Official Comics and Speculation Thread ***Spoilers***
Posted on 11/24/13 at 10:25 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 11/24/13 at 10:25 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
I wonder if they will actually "Tyrese" Herschel on-screen.
They ripped T-dog's throat out.
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Posted on 11/24/13 at 11:23 pm to Libertyabides71
While I personally enjoyed the Governor duology I have seen here and elsewhere the reviews have been mixed. It seems newer fans/people who normally don't like TWD liked them better than long term fans. But that isn't what my topic is about. Some have said though why wasn't the Governor spaced out through all 6 episodes. I think some of that has to do with Gimple's stated desire for bottle episodes/bottle scenes. But go back to last year, David Morrissey only signed up for Season 3. Many speculate one of the breaking points for Mazzara's departure was his plans to wrap the Governor storyline up last year despite people saying otherwise. The overall structure of his story for season 3 does not fit a two season story (which would have naturally ended at the Woodbury raid instead of telling the story and basically retelling it)
But seeing Morrissey's new found popularity post his stint as the Governor also led to new opportunities for him. There was serious talk last year if you remember of him being the next Doctor or even the next Bond (in an older type Bond). So naturally his schedule for this season was already tight before he was likely "brought back" if you will. The two stand alones meant he could film his episodes pretty independently of the Prison storyline. In fact so far now 7 episodes in they pretty much could have shot what they've had so far in any order. The sickness storyline, Rick and Carol on their run, Daryl and his minions on theirs, Hero Level Herschel, and the Governor stuff could all be shot independently. Which not only helped flexibility (the stars are doing a lot of off location promo work) but the budget I am sure.
So do you feel the ultimate structure (regardless of your thoughts on it) were pretty much inevitable the way the process played out?
That the only way to get Morrisey back was to do the stand alones?
But seeing Morrissey's new found popularity post his stint as the Governor also led to new opportunities for him. There was serious talk last year if you remember of him being the next Doctor or even the next Bond (in an older type Bond). So naturally his schedule for this season was already tight before he was likely "brought back" if you will. The two stand alones meant he could film his episodes pretty independently of the Prison storyline. In fact so far now 7 episodes in they pretty much could have shot what they've had so far in any order. The sickness storyline, Rick and Carol on their run, Daryl and his minions on theirs, Hero Level Herschel, and the Governor stuff could all be shot independently. Which not only helped flexibility (the stars are doing a lot of off location promo work) but the budget I am sure.
So do you feel the ultimate structure (regardless of your thoughts on it) were pretty much inevitable the way the process played out?
That the only way to get Morrisey back was to do the stand alones?
This post was edited on 11/24/13 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 11/25/13 at 8:55 am to Libertyabides71
quote:
Dead
Beth
Herschel
Judith
Survivors
I am guessing Herschel for sure and am hoping for Judith. I think killing Judith would firmly put this show on the right track. We need a hardened Rick/Carl going forward.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 9:15 am to hiltacular
I cannot see The Governor living through the midseason finale. I agree with what someone said that if he does it will fringe on "cartoon villian." I do think his new found love interest will be the one to shoot him, protecting her daughter in the process.
As far as survivors go, I see Rick and Carl getting seperated and helped by Carol. I also see Daryl escaping with Glen and Maggie. I think Beth will get gun downed while holding Judith. Michone is another who will escape to fight the good fight.
So I would predict:
Rick and Carl - with Carol eventually
Michonne and Darryl
Magee and Glenn
Tyrese is a huge maybe
As far as survivors go, I see Rick and Carl getting seperated and helped by Carol. I also see Daryl escaping with Glen and Maggie. I think Beth will get gun downed while holding Judith. Michone is another who will escape to fight the good fight.
So I would predict:
Rick and Carl - with Carol eventually
Michonne and Darryl
Magee and Glenn
Tyrese is a huge maybe
Posted on 11/25/13 at 9:42 am to LSUZombie
I don't see what the show has to gain by keeping the governor alive. They need to move on.
A couple episodes of Rick by himself and Carl with Carol could be pretty good tv.
So looking forward, how will the season end? Will it end with Rick reuniting with Carl or both of them reuniting with the rest of the group? Will it pan out to another community similar to what they did with the prison?
A couple episodes of Rick by himself and Carl with Carol could be pretty good tv.
So looking forward, how will the season end? Will it end with Rick reuniting with Carl or both of them reuniting with the rest of the group? Will it pan out to another community similar to what they did with the prison?
Posted on 11/25/13 at 9:58 am to hiltacular
We know the following are actually filming for the back half
Andrew Lincoln - Rick
Chandler Riggs - Carl
Danai Guira - Michonne
Norman Reedus - Daryl
Lauren Cohan - Maggie
Melissa McBride - Carol
Steven Yeun - Glenn
Chad Coleman - Tyreese
Sonequa Green - Sasha
Larry Gilliard - Bob
at least 10 kid extras from Woodbury. Other actors have been seen around Atlanta/filming locations but like Laurie Holden it could be set visits/contracts requiring them to stay in Atlanta until filming wrapped Friday.
We know the groups post prison are likely (who were actually seen filming together)
Group 1 - Rick, Carl eventually joined by Michonne
Group 2 - Carol Tyreese protecting kids in a safe house
Group 3 - Sasha, Bob, Glenn with Glenn being seriously injured/some kind of relationship between Glenn/Sasha and Sasha/Bob at the same time
Group 4 - Maggie Daryl and some random prison survivors including the hispanic guy who killed the walkers on the fence Julio.
One of these groups, likely group 3 runs into Abraham, Eugene, Rosita. Then 3 and 1 rejoin with 4 being the last to finally link up with the group.
That sets group tension up for several areas for back half storylines.
Rick being depressed/injured Post Prison with Carl having to kill some bandits/protect Rick in the wilderness over the Winter.
Tyreese not knowing about Carol burning bodies despite spending a month or so protecting kids in a safehouse with her
Possible Maggie/Glenn/Sasha/Bob love triangles.
Rick/Daryl conflict over Carol's banishment/Rick's decisions up to the prison abandonment. This reflects Daryl becoming "more of a leader".
Daryl/Abraham conflicts on being "Rick's right hand".
Of course the Hunters arc (which the Cabin last night to me was foreshadowing of people "worse" than the Governor).
Meeting Brother Gabriel. Seriously calling a black preacher in rural Georgia Father Gabriel would be a jump the shark moment.
Andrew Lincoln - Rick
Chandler Riggs - Carl
Danai Guira - Michonne
Norman Reedus - Daryl
Lauren Cohan - Maggie
Melissa McBride - Carol
Steven Yeun - Glenn
Chad Coleman - Tyreese
Sonequa Green - Sasha
Larry Gilliard - Bob
at least 10 kid extras from Woodbury. Other actors have been seen around Atlanta/filming locations but like Laurie Holden it could be set visits/contracts requiring them to stay in Atlanta until filming wrapped Friday.
We know the groups post prison are likely (who were actually seen filming together)
Group 1 - Rick, Carl eventually joined by Michonne
Group 2 - Carol Tyreese protecting kids in a safe house
Group 3 - Sasha, Bob, Glenn with Glenn being seriously injured/some kind of relationship between Glenn/Sasha and Sasha/Bob at the same time
Group 4 - Maggie Daryl and some random prison survivors including the hispanic guy who killed the walkers on the fence Julio.
One of these groups, likely group 3 runs into Abraham, Eugene, Rosita. Then 3 and 1 rejoin with 4 being the last to finally link up with the group.
That sets group tension up for several areas for back half storylines.
Rick being depressed/injured Post Prison with Carl having to kill some bandits/protect Rick in the wilderness over the Winter.
Tyreese not knowing about Carol burning bodies despite spending a month or so protecting kids in a safehouse with her
Possible Maggie/Glenn/Sasha/Bob love triangles.
Rick/Daryl conflict over Carol's banishment/Rick's decisions up to the prison abandonment. This reflects Daryl becoming "more of a leader".
Daryl/Abraham conflicts on being "Rick's right hand".
Of course the Hunters arc (which the Cabin last night to me was foreshadowing of people "worse" than the Governor).
Meeting Brother Gabriel. Seriously calling a black preacher in rural Georgia Father Gabriel would be a jump the shark moment.
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 10:02 am
Posted on 11/25/13 at 9:58 am to hiltacular
Well if Hershel goes down who's going to get cannibalized?
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:01 am to BOSCEAUX
quote:
Well if Hershel goes down who's going to get cannibalized?
Maggie certainly looks edible.
I have a feeling since Daryl is our eventual Glenn replacement for meeting Lucille then Glenn could be a great cannibal target. Not only has his tv show not gone anywhere for awhile but it sets up the inevitable but crude jokes about asian food not filling you up haha.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:09 am to Libertyabides71
Do you guys think they'll still stay centered around the prison/rural area or will they head towards Atlanta, Macon, or the coast. I'd like a change of scenery away from the woods.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:12 am to Palmetto08
quote:
Do you guys think they'll still stay centered around the prison/rural area or will they head towards Atlanta, Macon, or the coast. I'd like a change of scenery away from the woods.
They are leaving the prison set/Senoia until they can be remodeled as Alexandria (Newnan might fit the slightly bigger town mold). But leaving the immediate area won't happen. The Prison isn't an old abandoned prison that is the main studio for the the local production company that shoots TWD Starlight Studios.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:20 am to Libertyabides71
Thanks Liberty. Do you think we'll get any shots of other parts of the country during the season? Maybe one of those shots were the camera keeps going higher and higher and you see more and more of the area? I keep wondering what the coast looks like
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:24 am to Palmetto08
Both Wiltshire Estates and Alexandria are essentially suburban compared to the urban environments of season 1, the rural settings of season 2, and the small town settings of 3/4. Hence why they might use newnan for it (they've already used the bigger city for that warehouse where they did the gladiator fights)
But as far as other areas that is likely what the spinoff will entail since its an entirely new location/characters from the Show/Comic/Games.
But as far as other areas that is likely what the spinoff will entail since its an entirely new location/characters from the Show/Comic/Games.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:38 am to BOSCEAUX
quote:
Well if Hershel goes down who's going to get cannibalized?
Bob. The cannibals indulge on the indulging man.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:02 pm to thatguy1892
Who do y'all think is tying up bodies and cutting off heads?
Eta: and killed the camp in the woods.
Eta: and killed the camp in the woods.
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:57 pm to BOSCEAUX
quote:
Who do y'all think is tying up bodies and cutting off heads?
I'll be honest, I don't think it will come up again in the story. I think it was just there for shock value, and the person who was doing it, I think, was found on the front porch with his head blown off and a sign around his neck saying "murderer."
quote:
and killed the camp in the woods
Again, I don't think it will come up again in the story. I think it was used more to make a point to the Governor that they should have acted quickly because someone else would beat them to it.
As far as how could they have killed the camp without anyone hearing, I'm thinking several people with silenced weapons would do the trick.
Anyway, I think a lot of things TWD the show does is to just give the viewer shock value, but in reality there is no story behind it.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:04 pm to LSUZombie
quote:
Who do y'all think is tying up bodies and cutting off heads?
quote:
and killed the camp in the woods
I don't think it is for shock value, actually I think it may have to do with some integral parts of the story line.
Might be a the semblance of the Hunters Arc.
ETA:
Now after I actually think about it for a second, there was a murderer, rapist, and liar body, as well as decapitated heads.
These are all symbolic of what the governor had done in the past.
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:19 pm to gaetti15
I don't think the camp or the bodies will come up again. I just think they are introducing the viewers to the bad people that exist and the free for all that the world is. They have been pretty sheltered all things considered.
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/25/13 at 2:28 pm to gaetti15
quote:
These are all symbolic of what the governor had done in the past.
A warning telling him not to go back down that path. Maybe Michonne will get her revenge. I think we might see a headless Governor.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 6:45 pm to thatguy1892
I've seen a lot of people try to be skeptical about the Governor finding/using a tank.
An Abrams has a 289 mile per tank range (on a 500 gallon tank). Assuming you find one above ground diesel storage tank it will have somewhere around 10k plus gallons of diesel fuel in it. Even assuming they picked up the tank at Fort Benning (when in show they've been shown abandoned at random intervals like in the middle of downtown Atlanta) and that Woodbury is actually where Senoia (the town its filmed in is) then its only approximately 90 miles from Benning to the Prison. If the fictional Woodbury is actually in the location of the real Woodbury its only about 60 miles away.
That is the one thing people forget about a ZA, other than perishable goods (and in real life non stabilized fuel is a perishable good but in the Walking Dead it isn't apparently) people truly underestimate the economics of scale. Other than growing the stuff that will rot, a ZA scenario (where the population is reduced by say 99 percent) is pretty much the end to physical scarcity. Now of course service industries, innovation, and other human capital would be hard to come by.
An Abrams has a 289 mile per tank range (on a 500 gallon tank). Assuming you find one above ground diesel storage tank it will have somewhere around 10k plus gallons of diesel fuel in it. Even assuming they picked up the tank at Fort Benning (when in show they've been shown abandoned at random intervals like in the middle of downtown Atlanta) and that Woodbury is actually where Senoia (the town its filmed in is) then its only approximately 90 miles from Benning to the Prison. If the fictional Woodbury is actually in the location of the real Woodbury its only about 60 miles away.
That is the one thing people forget about a ZA, other than perishable goods (and in real life non stabilized fuel is a perishable good but in the Walking Dead it isn't apparently) people truly underestimate the economics of scale. Other than growing the stuff that will rot, a ZA scenario (where the population is reduced by say 99 percent) is pretty much the end to physical scarcity. Now of course service industries, innovation, and other human capital would be hard to come by.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:01 pm to Libertyabides71
For some reason the military talk wants the spinoff of the TWD to be a one shot type show like American Horror Story. Where either every episode/every few episodes is a new story about the "other" outside our group like expanded bigger budget webisodes.
After reading Darabont's original plan for Season 2's premiere it makes the most sense. His plan was a complete bottle episode following a special forces unit during the Fall of Atlanta. The main character would have been the guy who became the Tank Walker. It would have been Black Hawk Down at night with Zombies according to Darbont's notes. Basically more in tone to a war movie.
Though that plot would sustain an interesting (and decently budgeted) show for the max of 3-4 episodes. That is why I think the idea of the TV show version of comic book "one shots" would be a great filming premise for the Spinoff. That way you could do several different plots in the same show. When one doesn't gel right then well it only lasts a short time anyway. Then you start a whole new story.
Some Walking Dead one shots
Daryl/Merle prequel
Other main show character origin episodes
Lee Everett
Morgan
The aforementioned Tank Walker preview
Other hero level walkers origins
Different locations/groups
Different style of shows with different tone instead of the main shows basal Western.
After reading Darabont's original plan for Season 2's premiere it makes the most sense. His plan was a complete bottle episode following a special forces unit during the Fall of Atlanta. The main character would have been the guy who became the Tank Walker. It would have been Black Hawk Down at night with Zombies according to Darbont's notes. Basically more in tone to a war movie.
Though that plot would sustain an interesting (and decently budgeted) show for the max of 3-4 episodes. That is why I think the idea of the TV show version of comic book "one shots" would be a great filming premise for the Spinoff. That way you could do several different plots in the same show. When one doesn't gel right then well it only lasts a short time anyway. Then you start a whole new story.
Some Walking Dead one shots
Daryl/Merle prequel
Other main show character origin episodes
Lee Everett
Morgan
The aforementioned Tank Walker preview
Other hero level walkers origins
Different locations/groups
Different style of shows with different tone instead of the main shows basal Western.
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 7:16 pm
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