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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:44 pm to ATLTiger
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so back up off my boy! seriously, was he co-OC or something?
by everything I can find he was the sole OC in 2001. Maybe he got demoted after that terrible season and got put back in the middle of 2002. By all accounts I think Sumlin is a good coach. My point is that the same people who think Krag is a terrible coach are the same people who would have been overjoyed to see Sumlin replace miles last year.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:44 pm to OBUDan
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I'm not in love with Kragthorpe, but his track record is solid (at worst), and he's a well thought of guy.
The only way to go is up. The guy was successful at Tulsa. I'm in the same boat you're in. I'm not crazy about it, nor do I hate it.
Louisville was just a mess and personally, I don't think any coach could have cleaned up that mess. Add to the fact that he had absolutely nothing to work with there....of course he's going to fail.
Again, as you said, I'd rather look at the broad picture rather than just looking at the one failure @ UL. It's unfair. Gotta give the guy a chance to show what he can do.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:46 pm to OBUDan
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Yeah, I fricked that up.
ETA: Although the wiki for "holism" does say it evolved to "wholism" in the 90s to further clarify the term.
BTW - are you like the idle rich? Your posts are very informative and you've got a ton of them. You must live on TD.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:51 pm to HubbaBubba
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BTW - are you like the idle rich?
Slow days at the office
Probably not the best way to spend my time
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:10 pm to OBUDan
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I think Gary is crucified for wrecking BYU, then trending downward at Oregon (which followed suit here at LSU).
I've already seen people make excuses for Krags at UL and say that those years shouldn't be counted against him. Those same excuses (poor recruiting by previous coach and some bad apples) were big parts of the problem for BYU when Crowton was there. The trending downward at Oregon is way overblown. They were ranked top 10 in total offense his 2nd year.
I guess my point is why are people happy that this guy might get the job when his resume might actually be worse than Crowton's?
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:17 pm to ZTiger87
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bad apples) were big parts of the problem for BYU
Really?
....at BYU?
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but the last thing I'd think BYU would have would be behavioral problems.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:29 pm to ZTiger87
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The trending downward at Oregon is way overblown. They were ranked top 10 in total offense his 2nd year.
I don't disagree. Their QB situation was miserable though (alternating with Leaf + Dixon)... and with the entrance of Chip Kelly the next year, Dennis Dixon was in the driver's seat to win the Heisman until he hurt his knee.
My issues with Crowton have less to do with his tenure's at BYU or Oregon. Crowton is a bright guy, but he tries to do too much. His offenses have lacked identity for the past 8 years or so. There's nothing about his "system" that he hangs his hat on... he doesn't feature anything. Instead, he's tried to get by with the idea of being so multiple no one can defend it or know what to expect. Thus his offenses flounder and his players often fail to develop.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:34 pm to Prominentwon
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I'm not saying it didn't happen, but the last thing I'd think BYU would have would be behavioral problems.
There were some players that didn't adhere to BYU's honor code and at least 1 big rape case. I'm not sure how much of an affect it had on the football program, but it was a major concern for alumni and fans.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:36 pm to OBUDan
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Did a little bit of digging on Kragthorpe's last tenure as a true OC.
Another great piece of work OBUDan. Your statement that this is based on "Kragthorpe's last tenure as a true OC" got me thinking more about Krags as a playcaller.
Krags called the offensive plays his last year at Louisville in 2009. (Jeff Brohm, the former UL OC left his staff.) Here are the raw numbers from that UL offense compaired to Crowton's offense at LSU.
2009 Scoring UoL = 217 pts (Last Big East)
2009 Scoring LSU = 323 pts (9th SEC)
2009 Passing UoL = 2507 yds, 9 TDs (5th, 8th Big East)
2009 Passing LSU = 2363 yds, 18 TD (9th, 7th SEC)
2009 Rushing UoL = 1502 yds, 3.5 avg, 15 TDs (Last in everything)
2009 Rushing LSU = 1596 yds, 3.7 avg, 15 TDs (11th, 11th, 10th SEC)
I know there is an "apples to oranges" argument to this comparison. But the stats are just not encouraging. I'll be more positive about the guy if he gets the job, but until then he is going to be a hard sell to a lot of LSU fans.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:40 pm to jrodLSUke
Yeah, Kragthorpe's Louisville stint is certainly not encouraging. As the articles I linked noted, he tried to save it... but it was just way out of his reach at that point (by the time he took over playcalling duties in his last year).
My stance on Kragthorpe is this: he's not an awe-inspiring hire. But he's not the worst coach in the world, either.
My stance on Kragthorpe is this: he's not an awe-inspiring hire. But he's not the worst coach in the world, either.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:43 pm to jrodLSUke
Smells like Crowton to me!!
To complex for Jordan Jefferson,...
Zach Mett might get it, but not by next year
Sometimes you don't need to fool defenses in college football because they aren't always the same caliber, just beat their guys using our guys superior talent. No need to trick, just out match,....get our studs the ball with a chance to make a play.
To complex for Jordan Jefferson,...
Zach Mett might get it, but not by next year
Sometimes you don't need to fool defenses in college football because they aren't always the same caliber, just beat their guys using our guys superior talent. No need to trick, just out match,....get our studs the ball with a chance to make a play.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:45 pm to OBUDan
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But he's not the worst coach in the world, either.
That title may forever be held by former LSU Defensive Coordinator Lou Tepper!
(That reminds me of another coordinator change made by Miles, Pelini. Does anyone remember when LSU blew the lead against UT in 2005, radio callers started refering to our new DC as "TepPelini"? I guess that worked out OK.)
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:46 pm to OBUDan
Louisville beat writer basically trashed Kragthorpe on Mascona yesterday and they just re-aired it, even talked ab his recruiting. Spoke of a lack of identity on offense every yr he was there, including the yr he was OC
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:53 pm to jrodLSUke
I want to do another post on this entirely, but haven't had quite the time to dedicate to the research. Miles actually has a pretty damn good track record of hiring assistants, dating back to his Oklahoma State time.
Failures:
Malleveto promotion
Earl Lane (semi debatable... we don't get Patrick Peterson without him)
Don Yanowsky
DJ McCarthy (good recruiter but... got us in violations)
Successes:
Karl Dunbar (2x)
Brick Haley
Todd Monken
Josh Henson
Bo Pelini
John Chavis
Ron Cooper
Frank Wilson
Larry Porter (great recruiter)
TBD:
Billy Gonzales
Gred Studrawa
Steve Ensminger
Failures:
Malleveto promotion
Earl Lane (semi debatable... we don't get Patrick Peterson without him)
Don Yanowsky
DJ McCarthy (good recruiter but... got us in violations)
Successes:
Karl Dunbar (2x)
Brick Haley
Todd Monken
Josh Henson
Bo Pelini
John Chavis
Ron Cooper
Frank Wilson
Larry Porter (great recruiter)
TBD:
Billy Gonzales
Gred Studrawa
Steve Ensminger
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:54 pm to Books
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Louisville beat writer basically trashed Kragthorpe on Mascona yesterday and they just re-aired it, even talked ab his recruiting. Spoke of a lack of identity on offense every yr he was there, including the yr he was OC
No one has contended that he didn't fail at Louisville. I'm not excusing him for that.
But it also wasn't his only coaching job.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:56 pm to OBUDan
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DJ McCarthy (good recruiter but...
...but not as good as Cecil Newton?
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:59 pm to Books
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Spoke of a lack of identity on offense every yr he was there, including the yr he was OC
Shucks.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 5:00 pm to OBUDan
quote:today I"ve been told a&m is irrelevant and now UL. narrowing things down pretty quick
No one has contended that he didn't fail at Louisville. I'm not excusing him for that.
But it also wasn't his only coaching job.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 5:22 pm to Books
I'd say it's best to consider it all.
I'd expect Louisville fans/writers to hate him. His tenure there was an abject disaster.
Wonder what A&M fans think of him?
I'd expect Louisville fans/writers to hate him. His tenure there was an abject disaster.
Wonder what A&M fans think of him?
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