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re: my gus malzahn manifesto
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Fair enough. I suppose at some point it is a risk worth taking. I can't see the risk worth him being the number one choice.
good god no. does anyone want him to be the #1 choice? that's crazy talk
He's a beyond solid #3-4 guy though. Who would you rather have.. someone like Troy Calhoun (realistic hire) or Malzahn (risky, but he would be a lock)
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Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:21 pm to Angry LLAMA
My thoughts on Gus:
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I think the guy is an excellent coach, but I'm not sold on him as a head coach for several reasons:
-He got his start at the high school level, which means he doesn't have a ton of contacts, i.e. hiring a staff.
-Regardless of what his offense is really like, there is going to be the perception that it is offensively friendly and tough on the defense. And there has really been nothing to prove otherwise. So he's going to have a really tough time hiring a defensive staff.
-He's never been a head coach at a big time program. Is he still going to be the guy running the offense? Can he do this, and be able to coach his coaches? Will he be able to run his offense, which includes him scripting and taking time during the defensive series to script those plays and at the same time make the tough decisions that a head coach must make? Will they still be effective on offense when he does this?
-I think ultimately he'll have to turn the offense over to someone else. If I had to guess, Lashley at Samford would be the guy. As good a coach as Gus is, he's probably a control freak. It's gonna be really tough for him to turn over the offense.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:24 pm to deaux68
Gus doesn't script his plays during the game though. He doesn't even use a playsheet. He calls it from his head.
Hire Gus and promote Frank Wilson to assistant head coach (lock him up for years). That would help Gus deal with the added stress of the head coaching gig and split the responsibilities.
That's the best case scenario IMO. It kills like 3 birds with one stone. Chavis likes it at LSU.. and if he'd stick around, why would Malzahn need contacts?
Hire Gus and promote Frank Wilson to assistant head coach (lock him up for years). That would help Gus deal with the added stress of the head coaching gig and split the responsibilities.
That's the best case scenario IMO. It kills like 3 birds with one stone. Chavis likes it at LSU.. and if he'd stick around, why would Malzahn need contacts?
This post was edited on 1/9/11 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:27 pm to bmy
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Hire Gus and promote Frank Wilson to assistant head coach (lock him up for years). That would help Gus deal with the added stress of the head coaching gig and split the responsibilities.
If this is serious, would this be your first choice for HC?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:28 pm to deaux68
patterson is my #1 choice, malzahn #2.
quote:this is my biggest concern, but kinda why i feel itll be ideal if we retain some of our coaches- CHAVIS!- so that part would be easier on him
which means he doesn't have a ton of contacts, i.e. hiring a staff.
quote:obviously he'll have an OC, but i think he would more or les be doing the bitch work while malzahn has most of the control. i dont know how petrinos and spurriers do it. im sure therec common ground somewhere.
I think ultimately he'll have to turn the offense over to someone else. If I had to guess, Lashley at Samford would be the guy. As good a coach as Gus is, he's probably a control freak. It's gonna be really tough for him to turn over the offense.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:28 pm to Angry LLAMA
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hes a good leader, he can recruit, staff semi in place.
again, I know it's anecdotal and was only one case, but I saw him host a recruit and he said very little. A staffer did most of the talking until Chizik got there. I think he's a phenomenal football mind, but I'm not sure he's the outgoing, passionate type that can lead a big program like LSU. I may be wrong, but from what I can tell he certainly wouldn't be a top choice of mine right now.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:28 pm to bmy
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That's the best case scenario IMO. It kills like 3 birds with one stone. Chavis likes it at LSU.. and if he'd stick around, why would Malzahn need contacts?
How do we know he would want to keep Chavis and the defensive staff? How do we know they would want to stay?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:34 pm to MOT
quote:no one knows anything. everything is speculation.
How do we know he would want to keep Chavis and the defensive staff? How do we know they would want to stay?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:35 pm to MOT
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How do we know he would want to keep Chavis and the defensive staff? How do we know they would want to stay?
Give incentives to Frank Wilson with a promotion/pay raise. He'll stay.
Chavis is a lifer. The only reason he is not at Tenn right now is because Kiffin brought in his daddy.
Don't give Malzahn a choice if he does not agree. LSU is in a position of power when it comes to him. Let Malzahn grow into the head coaching role before letting him assemble a staff.. the only guy I absolutely would not budge on is Frank Wilson, tbh.
This post was edited on 1/9/11 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:38 pm to bmy
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Give incentives to Frank Wilson with a promotion/pay raise. He'll stay.
Chavis is a lifer. The only reason he is not at Tenn right now is because Kiffin brought in his daddy.
Don't give Malzahn a choice if he does not agree. LSU is in a position of power when it comes to him. Let Malzahn grow into the head coaching role before letting him assemble a staff.. the only guy I absolutely would not budge on is Frank Wilson, tbh.
Why hire Malzahn as HC at all? Just hire him as OC and asst. HC.
The HC position at LSU ...for someone with as little collegiate coaching experience is just crazy talk.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:40 pm to bmy
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Don't give Malzahn a choice if he does not agree
Why in the frick would we hire a coach if we can't trust him to be the coach?
I've seen a ton of reasons why he would be a great coordinator and very few, if any, reasons he should be hired as a head coach.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:i see what you mean, but hes not just some asst coach. hes the hottest coordinator in the country. hes so much like chip kelly in his spread background, his out-of-nowhere rise to frank broyles award winner. i think they are wired the same way. i think he'll be the best coach in the country in 7 years.
The HC position at LSU ...for someone with as little collegiate coaching experience is just crazy talk
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:46 pm to MOT
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Why in the frick would we hire a coach if we can't trust him to be the coach?
I've seen a ton of reasons why he would be a great coordinator and very few, if any, reasons he should be hired as a head coach.
Because if we get passed up by our first few choices.. who else has the kind of potential that Malzahn does? We could go with a safe hire of someone like Troy Calhoun or Hoke.
Keeping Chavis and especially Frank Wilson is huge. Keep them no matter what IMO. If Malzahn won't budge, don't offer. It's that simple really. I think he could be a phenomenal hire if we can keep the majority of the defensive/special teams staff in place. Don't care if it hurts his feelings or not, he's a risk.
Make the big shots turn you down first before Malzahn is given a call.
This post was edited on 1/9/11 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:48 pm to Angry LLAMA
I agree.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:50 pm to Angry LLAMA
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i see what you mean, but hes not just some asst coach. hes the hottest coordinator in the country. hes so much like chip kelly in his spread background, his out-of-nowhere rise to frank broyles award winner.
Chip has a helluva lot more experience than Malzahn. Not even close. He had been around collegiate programs for 20 years, half of that as coordinator.
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i think they are wired the same way. i think he'll be the best coach in the country in 7 years
Huge risk. Nothing suggests Malzahn should be handed the reigns to a top 10 program. What we want is Malzahn as OC and asst. HC, possibly.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:51 pm to bmy
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Because if we get passed up by our first few choices.. who else has the kind of potential that Malzahn does? We could go with a safe hire of someone like Troy Calhoun, Briles, or Hoke..
It is a different story if we end up going way down our list, but I would probably still take any of the three names above before him.
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Keeping Chavis and especially Frank Wilson is huge. Keep them no matter what IMO. If Malzahn won't budge, don't offer.
I would question the sanity of any coach that wouldn't want to retain Wilson voluntarily anyway, but I think it is a bad idea to start demanding certain staff hires. If the guy can't be trusted to assemble a competent staff he can not be trusted to lead this program.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:54 pm to MOT
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I would question the sanity of any coach that wouldn't want to retain Wilson voluntarily anyway, but I think it is a bad idea to start demanding certain staff hires. If the guy can't be trusted to assemble a competent staff he can not be trusted to lead this program.
That's true. What rational man would turn down guys like Chavis and Wilson though? If he won't keep the staff complete, he's not worth the risk. If he intended on keeping the staff together.. bring him on, as a 3rd choice kinda guy.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 6:05 pm to bmy
The days of upper level coordinator-for-life coaches like Chavis are coming to a close. They want to get PAID and/or be in charge. They don't want to sit behind a guy they can coach circles around. Plus, from an AD's point of view, why the hell would I pay $5 mil for a figure-head who is less competent than the guy right under him? Texas is experiencing this shift right now. "HCIW"? Will said F that.
What incoming coach that is a current HC would allow LSU to dictate to him the staff positions? This all important stability will be upset. We need to fix our offensive woes, and a defensive minded HC doesn't make sense if we wish to get over the top. With Gus you get a HC, OC, and QB coach all in one and we rip the heart right out of Auburn, a hated rival.
What incoming coach that is a current HC would allow LSU to dictate to him the staff positions? This all important stability will be upset. We need to fix our offensive woes, and a defensive minded HC doesn't make sense if we wish to get over the top. With Gus you get a HC, OC, and QB coach all in one and we rip the heart right out of Auburn, a hated rival.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 6:10 pm to The Tiger King
If we got Malzahn, I would guarantee a NC in the next 2 years.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 6:15 pm to Angry LLAMA
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Angry LLAMA
Finally a thread on here that isn't filled with just random names for a head coach, random pointless rumors. A thread with substance. A thread that makes sense.
Anyways, great points. I agree.
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