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re: Per Pete Thamel-Denbrock and Joe Sloan to LSU
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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Kelly hasn't been anywhere near pass first for a long time
Oh sure I’m not saying he’s pass first, just that I see him as more of a balanced attack guy that will let his personnel and team strengths dictate how the offense runs.
I’m fine with that.
I assume at the very least that the horrible state of our OL and run game in general will force him to be more balanced than run first even if that’s what he would prefer.
Again, he got Brennan and Boutte back on board when they were very much out the door, so I’ll trust they liked what they heard.
This post was edited on 1/1/22 at 10:08 am
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:16 am to Tiger Voodoo
I'm not like upset at the situation just very cautious. I'm getting early Les Miles vibes with Kelly, but without a stunning QB stable (coached up by then guru Jimbo) to start with.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:19 am to The Pirate King
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Cincy fans on Twitter are happy he’s gone
I just read the entire “Denbrock is leaving” thread on their 247 page and didn’t find that to be their opinion at all.
It was kind of all over the place. Definitely a few scorned lovers types, but also some that recognized he did a good job but were excited to see what the offense would look like moving forward. There were also some interestingly enough that though this wasn’t a Denbrock offense, but a Fickell offense and a new OC wouldn’t change much. Lastly there were some that felt he would be a loss, on the field and on the recruiting trail.
Personally I would bet the Fickell one is the most likely.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:21 am to CP3forMVP
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excited to see what the offense would look like moving forward. There were also some interestingly enough that though this wasn’t a Denbrock offense, but a Fickell offense and a new OC wouldn’t change much.
Kind of a weird assumption given he’s a 100 percent a defensive coach
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not like upset at the situation just very cautious. I'm getting early Les Miles vibes with Kelly, but without a stunning QB stable (coached up by then guru Jimbo) to start with.
Looking at everything in a vacuum I can see that.
But Kelly’s entire history and resume prove he isn’t Miles imo.
Again, whatever philosophy we see from Kelly here, and his philosophy has changed at every stop on his resume, which is a good thing imo, I expect we will see the one constant at all of his stops, which is a very high level of success.
Kelly is primarily a great evaluator and leader. He will see what his players and coaches can do well and use them effectively. I think that’s all we can ask.
It might not be the offense we all want to see, but I do think whatever it is will be effective and lead to success. And I don’t think it will always look exactly the same, as he’ll adapt based on personnel.
I think his history shows that and think we’ll all enjoy how a professional conducts his business and how that translates to what we see on the field.
This post was edited on 1/1/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:29 am to Tiger Voodoo
Also let me be clear, my comments are within the context of winning national titles and nothing else.
I'm not saying Kelly won't win a lot of games here or is a threat to melt down like later Les did (when he finally got control after 2011).
I just don't know if what he's building (as of 1-1-22) is set up to win national titles. Win a lot of games? Yes. Beat Bama with Saban consistently? No.
I'm not saying Kelly won't win a lot of games here or is a threat to melt down like later Les did (when he finally got control after 2011).
I just don't know if what he's building (as of 1-1-22) is set up to win national titles. Win a lot of games? Yes. Beat Bama with Saban consistently? No.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Beat Bama with Saban consistently? No.
That's not going to happen with just about any coach. I mean Orgeron beat him in 19 and actually had some other years with close games too. However the rest of the seasons were mostly arse outside that game.
By the time LSU gets back to consistently winning and bringing in the right players to make another championship run Saban will probably be getting ready to retire anyway. It's also possible that they get moved to the east when OU and Texas come in.
I think the obsession of beating Bama is good to an extent but it shouldn't be the main reason you hire someone or judge their success as the LSU HC.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:41 am to Tiger Tracker
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I think the obsession of beating Bama is good to an extent but it shouldn't be the main reason you hire someone or judge their success as the LSU HC.
We hire coaches to win national titles.
That requires us to beat Bama pretty regularly.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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We hire coaches to win national titles.
That requires us to beat Bama pretty regularly.
Yeah I guess you should define "regularly" because like I said I don't know of an active coach out there that's beating them "regularly".
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also let me be clear, my comments are within the context of winning national titles and nothing else.
I'm not saying Kelly won't win a lot of games here or is a threat to melt down like later Les did (when he finally got control after 2011).
I just don't know if what he's building (as of 1-1-22) is set up to win national titles. Win a lot of games? Yes. Beat Bama with Saban consistently? No.
I’m more optimistic, but that’s certainly fair
I just really think we haven’t seen an approach like Kelly’s in a loooooooooong time, and I’m as excited to see how a professional approach like Kelly’s works just as much as any particular philosophy. I think it’s going to surprise a lot of us to see how much success that simple change in culture will bring.
And if nothing else, hopefully Saban is gone in a couple of years once Kelly has our OL built back up anyway and he can win championships without having to beat him
This post was edited on 1/1/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
kelly ran spread at cincy
even denbrock can be multiple. watch the cincy video i posted. he uses 4 wide at times. jet motion. zone reads. RPO.
you have TE's who can catch and block you can make teams pay dearly with run game then PA passes even with the base offense if that will be what we use.
all in all it will be what kelly wants to do and denbrock will do it
even denbrock can be multiple. watch the cincy video i posted. he uses 4 wide at times. jet motion. zone reads. RPO.
you have TE's who can catch and block you can make teams pay dearly with run game then PA passes even with the base offense if that will be what we use.
all in all it will be what kelly wants to do and denbrock will do it
This post was edited on 1/1/22 at 11:13 am
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Not sure I agree he's a run first guy. I agree that he runs to set the pass up. His offense seems more balanced based on what I've seen. Which honestly, we need again instead of belting 500 yards passing in 60 attempts. LSU has been too one-dimensional past 2 seasons.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:38 am to deuce985
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I agree he's a run first guy. I agree that he runs to set the pass up.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:40 am to wildtigercat93
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Kind of a weird assumption given he’s a 100 percent a defensive coach
I don’t think so. Remember our old defensive coach meddled as well. I didn’t take what they said as Fickell is in the offensive room implementing game plans, but more so he wanted the offense to operate in a certain way.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Not really. You can run to set your pass up without being a "run first philosophy guy". Doesn't mean he lacks balance. A run first guy would be like Miles who everyone on both sidelines, the stadium, and national viewers knew what he was going to do. It was line up, match us, stop us. Denbrock's scheme is not like that it's based on heavy RPO which means the situation dictates whether it's a run or pass. It takes what the defense gives. Comparing this to Miles is very ignorant because the offense is way more dynamic than Miles ever did here. If they're running it 4x in a row it's because that's what the QB read when the defense was giving it to them.
This post was edited on 1/1/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:47 am to deuce985
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You can run to set your pass up without being a "run first philosophy guy".
That's what a run-first philosophy is.
Efficiency dictates you pass to set up the run. History has shown this is how you win national titles in college football.
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Comparing this to Miles is very ignorant because the offense is way more dynamic than Miles ever did here.
I said early Miles which had the GOAT LSU QB prior to Joe Burrow
Miles was still run first and it cost us early in 2006
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:47 am to Fat Bastard
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watch the cincy video i posted.
??? Can you post it?
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Beat Bama with Saban consistently? No.
Give up on that pipe dream and just build in preparation for his retirement.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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History has shown this is how you win national titles in college football.
Calling bullshite on this one. Maybe a few recent years but historically run teams win championships.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
I honestly wouldn't get too worked up over it until we see what they're going to run in spring. I wouldn't be surprised if BK adds some flavor into the scheme Denbrock is running. His scheme involves the TE in everything so unless LSU hits transfer portal I don't think we have a true TE on the roster right now. Both have been around long enough to make scheme adjustments to strengths.
Looking at personnel though, it makes sense. Bech would feast as a hybrid TE, Brennan is perfect for RPOs and throws beautiful deep balls, Boutte is the over the top threat, we have a roster of young highly recruited RBs with possibly Citizen added to that. Yeah, I see why he went this way. Brennan should be comfortable in an RPO heavy offense. He had to convince him the scheme is attractive for both QB/WRs.
BK isn't Miles or some dinosaur who refuses to change. He evolved it at ND. He ran a wide open offense in the past. He knows what he's doing, imo.
Looking at personnel though, it makes sense. Bech would feast as a hybrid TE, Brennan is perfect for RPOs and throws beautiful deep balls, Boutte is the over the top threat, we have a roster of young highly recruited RBs with possibly Citizen added to that. Yeah, I see why he went this way. Brennan should be comfortable in an RPO heavy offense. He had to convince him the scheme is attractive for both QB/WRs.
BK isn't Miles or some dinosaur who refuses to change. He evolved it at ND. He ran a wide open offense in the past. He knows what he's doing, imo.
This post was edited on 1/1/22 at 11:52 am
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