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re: why are some so hung up on HC experience?
Posted on 11/27/07 at 1:10 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/27/07 at 1:10 am to Lester Earl
That's right.
It's nice to have the luxury of bringing up your own guys through your own system but it's tougher to keep staffs intact for long.
Jim Grobe/Wake Forest gets that, to his credit (even though he was 0-2 versus Bill Callahan
).
We had great continuity at Nebraska for decades.
That was key to the consecutive 9-win season streak.
It's nice to have the luxury of bringing up your own guys through your own system but it's tougher to keep staffs intact for long.
Jim Grobe/Wake Forest gets that, to his credit (even though he was 0-2 versus Bill Callahan
). We had great continuity at Nebraska for decades.
That was key to the consecutive 9-win season streak.
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Posted on 11/27/07 at 5:28 am to Cornhusker Red
Let's not forget Notre Dame"s fat arse flop!
Posted on 11/27/07 at 7:50 am to andys4lsu
I don't think a seasoned assistant gets the benefit of the doubt like a HC. A head coach has the experience of knowing how to settup his program and recruiting.
I'm sure the athletic director looks at the complete resume of any candiate when your forking over millions of dollars.
I'm sure the athletic director looks at the complete resume of any candiate when your forking over millions of dollars.
Posted on 11/27/07 at 8:54 am to BaronD
Dietzel came in too interview a former assistent to Col Blaike and Paul Bryant at 28 years of age.
Saban did not have a "bowl you over resume" either.
Mike Archer was young too and to me was ok.
these three were all young decent looking and even charming head coaches.
Saban did not have a "bowl you over resume" either.
Mike Archer was young too and to me was ok.
these three were all young decent looking and even charming head coaches.
Posted on 11/27/07 at 9:03 am to TigerTerrorist
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Mike Archer was young too and to me was ok.
I'm sure he was to you, HB, cause you don't know shite
Posted on 11/27/07 at 10:26 am to prplhze2000
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There is a reason why coaches like Parcells, Schottenhimer, and other head coaches have winning records wherever they go while coordinators flame out.
so neither was a coordinator at any point?
Posted on 11/27/07 at 10:29 am to BilJ
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But lets say option A turns us down. Would you rather a guy you're not completely in love just because he has some HC experience or an OC or DC who has had great success at a big time program or even in the NFL?
i remember this argument after saban left
it was pretty horrible to hear people's views on the subject
hell it isn't even a HC...it HAD to be a HC from a BCS conference. petrino was below LSU fans
Posted on 11/27/07 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
I think the primary reason is that people feel there will be an acclimation period while guy figures out what it means to be a HC. The logic is that LSU has a team should compete for a SEC championship next year, and this acclimation period will supposedly stop them from winning a SEC champ.
My personal reason for preferring a HC is that I think after all the BS, its the only way for LSU to get a real recruiting and media win out of the situation.
If we can't find a good candidate with HC experience I'll be fine with an assistant.
My personal reason for preferring a HC is that I think after all the BS, its the only way for LSU to get a real recruiting and media win out of the situation.
If we can't find a good candidate with HC experience I'll be fine with an assistant.
Posted on 11/27/07 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
you go with assistant on your staff to keep the system working. so that means crowton or pelini would be the choice of asst. a major program like lsu cannot take a chance on an assistant college coach to lead the program. its like hiring anybody for any job the you take the best one and the one with the resume.
Posted on 11/27/07 at 10:41 am to BilJ
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the NFL doesn't really worry about it and it works out well for them. I don't believe Richt had any experience before taking over at UGA. Would any of you really be that up in arms if we hired a young, hungry assistant? I'm not saying LSU is even considering this, but would it really be that terrible?
i've been wondering the same thing...
Posted on 11/27/07 at 11:48 am to OBUDan
Another concern about hiring assistants Bil J is are they respected enough to hire a good staff. To me, this might be the biggest reason a school in LSU's position should stay away from this. How many established, SEC Championship/National Championship caliber coaches are wanna come work for let's say a 36-year old Will Muschamp who they are older than and have more experience than? I doubt Gary Crowton would have moved down here to work under Will Muschamp. Or Jimbo for that matter.
Posted on 11/27/07 at 11:49 am to TheEdge
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I think the primary reason is that people feel there will be an acclimation period while guy figures out what it means to be a HC.
which is hillarious b/c people are still talking bout how miles is getting acclimated to being an SEC HC
Posted on 11/27/07 at 11:50 am to Hot Carl
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How many established, SEC Championship/National Championship caliber coaches are wanna come work for let's say a 36-year old Will Muschamp who they are older than and have more experience than?
lots. why?
a. LSU pays them better than almost anywhere else
b. LSU's coordinators move on to better jobs. this is a place where DCs and OCs step to bigger and better things
Posted on 11/27/07 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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LSU's coordinators move on to better jobs. this is a place where DCs and OCs step to bigger and better things
it has been while they've been underneath established coaches Saban and Miles.
Posted on 11/27/07 at 11:54 am to Hot Carl
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it has been while they've been underneath established coaches Saban and Miles
the talent our coaches get to work with here rises their profile to an insane degree
hell gene chizik wasn't getting any legit offers and ended up at ISU. bo p is going to nebraska
how many assistant coaches do you think resisted going to oakland this year b/c lane kiffen was the new HC?
Posted on 11/27/07 at 11:56 am to BilJ
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the NFL doesn't really worry about it and it works out well for them. I don't believe Richt had any experience before taking over at UGA. Would any of you really be that up in arms if we hired a young, hungry assistant? I'm not saying LSU is even considering this, but would it really be that terrible?
Two words.
1) Mike
2) Shula
Posted on 11/27/07 at 11:58 am to DvlsAdvocat
but wasn't he an NFL positional coach? that's a lil different than proven CFB coordinator who is moving to CFB HC
Posted on 11/27/07 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but wasn't he an NFL positional coach
He was offensive coordinator with the Bucs from '96 to '99.
Posted on 11/27/07 at 12:02 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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He was offensive coordinator with the Bucs from '96 to '99.
and was ran out of town
This post was edited on 11/27/07 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/27/07 at 12:04 pm to BilJ
yeah exactly
bama had to settle for an NFL positional coach
not exaclty the same thing as a big-time, successful coordinator
bama had to settle for an NFL positional coach
not exaclty the same thing as a big-time, successful coordinator
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