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China is not going to invade Taiwan, no matter what happens in Ukraine or who wins.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:53 am
Some realpolitik food for thought:
There is a large segment of people yelling that if we let Putin get off easy with invading Ukraine, China will take it as a signal to invade Taiwan. That's mostly wrong.
Here are the facts:
- Russia is not very important to the global economy, except on energy. China is very important to the global economy on virtually everything. You will not find a product in the USA that wasn't touched by China in some way. That's a fact of life.
- The west has not made promises to protect either Ukraine or Taiwan. In Taiwan's case, we have been explicit about our ambiguous policy: we will not comment on what the US may or may not do to protect the island.
- Foreign leaders are by and large, not totally unhinged madmen. They are mostly rational actors, and have definite reasons why they do things or take risks. If you know what a ruler/country's priority interests are, you can predict their actions with a surprising degree of certainty.
- Russia has said for 20 years that NATO expansion east was considered a strategic threat to them, which by definition it is. They said it when we added Poland, Hungary, and Romania to NATO. They said it when we added the Baltics to NATO. And they said it in 2008 and 2014 when we declared the intent to add Ukraine and Georgia to NATO.
- Russia is not a strong country. They are a declining Great Power that has (had) an economy the size of Italy which is highly dependent on raw energy exports. The population is just larger than Mexico's. Russia is not secure, in fact it is entirely the opposite. Russian trade access is at the mercy of countries like Turkey, the EU, China, and Japan. They have no naturally defensible borders and those borders are some of the longest in the world. In every aspect, Russia is a cornered, wounded bear that feels besieged in its own cave.
- Therefore, Russia is willing to take major risks to protect what it sees as immediate security interests. Risks like major international blowback, isolation, or even blockades.
- China on the other hand, is strong and getting stronger. China does not need to invade Taiwan to feel secure, or to distract from trouble at home. China feels like time in on its side. In fact, a Chinese takeover of Taiwan is much more likely to be from a simple blockade: the Chinese simply tell everyone that trade with Taiwan is forbidden, and they will not allow ships to enter Taiwanese waters. Is the American president going to start a direct shooting war over that? Maybe. But probably not. Either way, China doesn't have to take that risk right now, it can wait.
- Additionally, China is watching the sanctions on Russia. They are noting that the west is sanctioning things which are easy, but nothing that is hard. But sanctioning China at all is hard. What do you do, tell companies they can't buy Chinese goods any more? lawl. Walmart and Amazon would SHUT DOWN. A lot of people would initially be on board, but when the goods on hand run out, well, buy water purifiers.
So that's it. We don't have much to worry about, regardless.
There is a large segment of people yelling that if we let Putin get off easy with invading Ukraine, China will take it as a signal to invade Taiwan. That's mostly wrong.
Here are the facts:
- Russia is not very important to the global economy, except on energy. China is very important to the global economy on virtually everything. You will not find a product in the USA that wasn't touched by China in some way. That's a fact of life.
- The west has not made promises to protect either Ukraine or Taiwan. In Taiwan's case, we have been explicit about our ambiguous policy: we will not comment on what the US may or may not do to protect the island.
- Foreign leaders are by and large, not totally unhinged madmen. They are mostly rational actors, and have definite reasons why they do things or take risks. If you know what a ruler/country's priority interests are, you can predict their actions with a surprising degree of certainty.
- Russia has said for 20 years that NATO expansion east was considered a strategic threat to them, which by definition it is. They said it when we added Poland, Hungary, and Romania to NATO. They said it when we added the Baltics to NATO. And they said it in 2008 and 2014 when we declared the intent to add Ukraine and Georgia to NATO.
- Russia is not a strong country. They are a declining Great Power that has (had) an economy the size of Italy which is highly dependent on raw energy exports. The population is just larger than Mexico's. Russia is not secure, in fact it is entirely the opposite. Russian trade access is at the mercy of countries like Turkey, the EU, China, and Japan. They have no naturally defensible borders and those borders are some of the longest in the world. In every aspect, Russia is a cornered, wounded bear that feels besieged in its own cave.
- Therefore, Russia is willing to take major risks to protect what it sees as immediate security interests. Risks like major international blowback, isolation, or even blockades.
- China on the other hand, is strong and getting stronger. China does not need to invade Taiwan to feel secure, or to distract from trouble at home. China feels like time in on its side. In fact, a Chinese takeover of Taiwan is much more likely to be from a simple blockade: the Chinese simply tell everyone that trade with Taiwan is forbidden, and they will not allow ships to enter Taiwanese waters. Is the American president going to start a direct shooting war over that? Maybe. But probably not. Either way, China doesn't have to take that risk right now, it can wait.
- Additionally, China is watching the sanctions on Russia. They are noting that the west is sanctioning things which are easy, but nothing that is hard. But sanctioning China at all is hard. What do you do, tell companies they can't buy Chinese goods any more? lawl. Walmart and Amazon would SHUT DOWN. A lot of people would initially be on board, but when the goods on hand run out, well, buy water purifiers.
So that's it. We don't have much to worry about, regardless.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:55 am to cokebottleag
I really hate it when someone says never in situations like this. It seems like it immediately increases the odds of the bad thing happening.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:55 am to cokebottleag
quote:
China feels like time in on its side.
That's because it is. They can wait us out on Taiwan, and they know it.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:58 am to cokebottleag
this war is a repeat of russia collusion 2.0
you dont even know half the story and its 100% about saving pedo joes money train from being stolen by putin
thats all this is, one crook stealing another crooks loot, no one GAF about any people who died for this fake narrative, its all about protecting the graft money
you dont even know half the story and its 100% about saving pedo joes money train from being stolen by putin
thats all this is, one crook stealing another crooks loot, no one GAF about any people who died for this fake narrative, its all about protecting the graft money
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:00 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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I really hate it when someone says never in situations like this. It seems like it immediately increases the odds of the bad thing happening.
Maybe I should say "its very unlikely" instead?
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:11 pm to keakar
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you dont even know half the story and its 100% about saving pedo joes money train from being stolen by putin
thats all this is, one crook stealing another crooks loot, no one GAF about any people who died for this fake narrative, its all about protecting the graft money
Ive seen this stated many times. I'm not doubting, but what supports this idea? Any reports or writings I can check out?
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:55 pm to cokebottleag
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So that's it. We don't have much to worry about, regardless
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China invades
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:57 pm to cokebottleag
quote:Unless we begin manufacturing an earthload of semiconductors here, the answer would likely be yes.
Is the American president going to start a direct shooting war over that?
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:03 pm to cokebottleag
China and Russia are not steering this. this has to do with the great reset and the destruction of the west. The west has to be destroyed. They have to destroy us before they can fully implement their totalitarian humanism plan. The bankers and global cabal are running the show. If China invades Taiwan they know we can not do shite. They have destroyed us from within and are just waiting on the total collapse. That's one theory
The second theory is China sees we can not and will not do anything with the RUSSIA/Ukraine war and realize America has never been weaker. They are gonna get while the getting is good. China since WW2 has infiltrated the US and has everyone black mailed and bought off so they can pretty much do what ever they want. If they were smart they would just blockade Taiwan. it would be over in months
The second theory is China sees we can not and will not do anything with the RUSSIA/Ukraine war and realize America has never been weaker. They are gonna get while the getting is good. China since WW2 has infiltrated the US and has everyone black mailed and bought off so they can pretty much do what ever they want. If they were smart they would just blockade Taiwan. it would be over in months
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:19 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
China is not going to invade Taiwan
This just in: China bombs Tawain.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:21 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
China is not going to invade Taiwan,
Yes they will
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:33 pm to cokebottleag
I agree with most of your points except:
With the growing power of social media and traditional media, the population is easier to be manipulated.
For example, Ukraine President, he is not making the right the decision for his country before the war.
Also the officials from Green Party in German new government, they are not making the right decisions for the country. They just want to make their voters happy. Disregard the rest of German people.
The past two weeks, it is very popular to sanction Russia in Europe. But a lot of these are hurting the country long term. The elected officials do not want to make the unpopular decisions their voters want.
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Foreign leaders are by and large, not totally unhinged madmen. They are mostly rational actors, and have definite reasons why they do things or take risks.
With the growing power of social media and traditional media, the population is easier to be manipulated.
For example, Ukraine President, he is not making the right the decision for his country before the war.
Also the officials from Green Party in German new government, they are not making the right decisions for the country. They just want to make their voters happy. Disregard the rest of German people.
The past two weeks, it is very popular to sanction Russia in Europe. But a lot of these are hurting the country long term. The elected officials do not want to make the unpopular decisions their voters want.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:36 pm to cokebottleag
In the days leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine...
"Russia will not invade Ukraine"
"Russia will not invade Ukraine"
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:42 pm to cokebottleag
China has already determined that an amphibious assault and forced occupation of Taiwan is too risky at this point and in the immediate future. The most likely move will be a naval blockade but only once China’s navy has reached the point of eclipsing the US pacific fleet. This means that a naval blockade sometime between 2028-2040 is most likely.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:47 pm to JohnHager913
Another example is UK Foreign Minister.
She does not have the basic knowledge of the foreign affairs. She already made herself a few jokes in the short span as the foreign minister.
She is not the problem. The problem is the one who appointed her.
She does not have the basic knowledge of the foreign affairs. She already made herself a few jokes in the short span as the foreign minister.
She is not the problem. The problem is the one who appointed her.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:49 pm to keakar
quote:
this war is a repeat of russia collusion 2.0 you dont even know half the story and its 100% about saving pedo joes money train from being stolen by putin thats all this is, one crook stealing another crooks loot, no one GAF about any people who died for this fake narrative, its all about protecting the graft money
If that’s the case GO BIG RED!!!
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:52 pm to cokebottleag
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Russia is not very important to the global economy, except on energy.
Lol....stop reading there....try harder
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:20 pm to cokebottleag
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China does not need to invade Taiwan to feel secure
*laughs in Hong Kong*
China has stated numerous times they consider Taiwan to be part of China and that they will enforce that... someday.
If the US were to get fully embroiled in a war against Russia in Europe, there's not a doubt in my mind China will take advantage of that to make a move on Taiwan.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:39 pm to lake chuck fan
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Any reports or writings I can check out?
canceled checks? bank statements?
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