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What is the PGA's beef with these Saudi events?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:09 am
I'm a casual golf watcher, don't follow tour gossip, so I am in the dark on all of this drama.
What is the PGA and USGA beef with these events? What exactly is the controversy?
What is the PGA and USGA beef with these events? What exactly is the controversy?
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:19 am to Wildcat1996
They're attempting to poach the Tour's best players, thereby weakening the product the Tour puts out, which is bad for business.
My hope is that it crashes, but causes the Tour to look in the mirror for the first time and figure out how to turn out a better product for us consumers.
My hope is that it crashes, but causes the Tour to look in the mirror for the first time and figure out how to turn out a better product for us consumers.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:27 am to BlastOff
OK.
Sounds like the free market at work. If DJ can get better money on a rival tour, sounds like the PGA needs to step-up its game.
If DJ plays in the RBC and misses the cut, he doesn't get paid. He's out the expenses of travel, plays in the pro-Am, kisses babies, signs autographs...and all that stuff.
How is this different than any other labor dispute? What am I missing?
Sounds like the free market at work. If DJ can get better money on a rival tour, sounds like the PGA needs to step-up its game.
If DJ plays in the RBC and misses the cut, he doesn't get paid. He's out the expenses of travel, plays in the pro-Am, kisses babies, signs autographs...and all that stuff.
How is this different than any other labor dispute? What am I missing?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:33 am to Wildcat1996
quote:If you threatened to join your organizations biggest threat, would you be welcome back?
How is this different than any other labor dispute? What am I missing?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:38 am to lsupride87
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If you threatened to join your organizations biggest threat, would you be welcome back?
Almost certainly, maybe not simultaneously, but yes I would be welcome back.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:39 am to BlastOff
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but causes the Tour to look in the mirror for the first time and figure out how to turn out a better product for us consumers
If you are posting this on a golf forum it means you are not the marginal viewer that the PGA cares about unfortunately. We will always have featured groups
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:42 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Ahh, so you are saying they would absolutely make you quit your relationship with their biggest threat first?
maybe not simultaneously
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:47 am to lsupride87
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Ahh, so you are saying they would absolutely make you quit your relationship with their biggest threat first?
That's not what you asked, but I'm also not an independent contractor, much less a professional golfer.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:50 am to BlastOff
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They're attempting to poach the Tour's best players, thereby weakening the product the Tour puts out, which is bad for business.
Which is different than letting players do DP World Tour events? How?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:50 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Why would an organization want its independent contractors, or members, doing concurrent business with its biggest competitor and threat?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
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Why would an organization want its independent contractors, or members, doing concurrent business with its biggest competitor and threat?
They already did that with the DP World Tour.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
They are cutting into,the profits of a non profit organization.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:54 am to lsupride87
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Why would an organization want its independent contractors, or members, doing concurrent business with its biggest competitor and threat?
They wouldn't, and right now it's only Dan with name cache, but what if it become Rahm and DeChambeau and Keopka and possibly others?
Whats better, those guys playing relatively the same PGA Tour schedule and they usually do in addition to LIV events or permanently barring them?
That of course is not the current reality, but it may not be that far off in like a month.
We'll see what happens it's going to be interesting either way.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:54 am to notsince98
quote:Not even remotely the same. Those are partnerships that want to work with each other
They already did that with the DP World Tour.
LIV has made it no secret their goal is to bring down the Tour
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:54 am to SingleMalt1973
quote:Are you saying non-profits don’t like to maximize revenue?
They are cutting into,the profits of a non profit organization.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:55 am to notsince98
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They already did that with the DP World Tour.
The DP World Tour is the new name of the European Tour and they and the PGA Tour are aligned.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:56 am to lsupride87
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Not even remotely the same. Those are partnerships that want to work with each other
LIV has made it no secret their goal is to bring down the Tour
But the PGA and DP were still competitors. Every time a PGA tour player played in europe, it was a week they weren't in the USA.
Can you point me to a link where the Asian tour has said they wanted to destroy the PGA? From all I have found, they just want a worldwide presence and to have some of the best golfers in the world regularly participate.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:56 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Well that would be fine, but the Tour can see the forrest through the trees. The goal of LIV is to expand and essentially become the Tour
Whats better, those guys playing relatively the same PGA Tour schedule and they usually do in addition to LIV events or permanently barring them?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:57 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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The DP World Tour is the new name of the European Tour and they and the PGA Tour are aligned.
Sounds more like collusion since they are competitors for talent too.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:58 am to Wildcat1996
I don't feel like looking it up but why does the PGA Tour not look at the European Tour the same way?
Why does it let its member compete on the European Tour?
Why does it let its member compete on the European Tour?
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